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Maybe i'm out of sympathy. Years ago i had friends attacked and beaten up by the BNP and their pals for being trade unionists, anti-racists, Irish, coloured and gay.
I also know of others who've been attacked or had shoite put through their letter boxes. Even a disabled person's car at York Uni was vandalised.
I aint gonna stoop to their level, but folk who join a bunch of evil fanatics like the BNP deserve to be exposed. Hate mongers. _________________ http://tocasaid.blogspot.com/
It has been suggested that support for the BNP is growing, but is that true? They managed to get a couple of MEPs elected at the Euro elections, but without actually getting any more votes than they'd had before. What enabled them to make this "breakthrough" was supporters of other parties, particularly the Labour Party, staying at home. You can blame politicians failing to provide people with hope, while at the same time claiming ludicrous expenses and other benefits for themselves, for that. Appearing on Question Time will probably give the BNP a bit of a boost for a time, but, from details about the party that have leaked out, it looks like they have a very high turnover of membership. It seems that, even when people join, the BNP has a big problem over getting them to renew membership for a second year. We certainly shouldn't be complacent, but neither should we give the BNP a boost by exaggerating. Compared with some other European right wing parties, the BNP is a bit of a failure. Even in the middle of a recession, with the parliamentary parties doing their best to discredit themselves, the BNP is making little real headway.
Maybe i'm out of sympathy. Years ago i had friends attacked and beaten up by the BNP and their pals for being trade unionists, anti-racists, Irish, coloured and gay.
I also know of others who've been attacked or had shoite put through their letter boxes. Even a disabled person's car at York Uni was vandalised.
I aint gonna stoop to their level, but folk who join a bunch of evil fanatics like the BNP deserve to be exposed. Hate mongers.
by agreeing with personal details being leaked onto the web you actually did just stoop to the low levels of a facist group.
It has been suggested that support for the BNP is growing, but is that true? They managed to get a couple of MEPs elected at the Euro elections, but without actually getting any more votes than they'd had before. What enabled them to make this "breakthrough" was supporters of other parties, particularly the Labour Party, staying at home. You can blame politicians failing to provide people with hope, while at the same time claiming ludicrous expenses and other benefits for themselves, for that. Appearing on Question Time will probably give the BNP a bit of a boost for a time, but, from details about the party that have leaked out, it looks like they have a very high turnover of membership. It seems that, even when people join, the BNP has a big problem over getting them to renew membership for a second year. We certainly shouldn't be complacent, but neither should we give the BNP a boost by exaggerating. Compared with some other European right wing parties, the BNP is a bit of a failure. Even in the middle of a recession, with the parliamentary parties doing their best to discredit themselves, the BNP is making little real headway.
I was down in a town at Yorkshire at the weekend. There was a massive BNP stall right in the middle of a town centre and a few leftie types from ANL set up a stall across from them trading insults.
After watching Question Time I think some of the main stream political parties are becoming complacent if they believe the BNP vote isn't on the rise and people won't be voting for them.
I had spoken to a few people out and about in Yorkshire and listened to comments on why they would vote BNP. Most is around immigration and myths on benefits or jobs.
The other problem is alot of mis-quoting and garbage are talked about the BNP. I watched an live interview with Nick Griffen on the lunch time news which by tea time newx was heavily edited out of context....
Just let the BNP buffoons speak. It's far easier to expose them for what they are than giving them ammo.
As I pointed out earlier, compared with some other European right wing parties, the BNP is a bit of a failure; even in the middle of a recession, with the parliamentary parties doing their best to discredit themselves, the BNP is making little real headway. And having just watched Question Time, I have to say Nick Griffin was pathetic . Time for a new fuehrer?
As I pointed out earlier, compared with some other European right wing parties, the BNP is a bit of a failure; even in the middle of a recession, with the parliamentary parties doing their best to discredit themselves, the BNP is making little real headway. And having just watched Question Time, I have to say Nick Griffin was pathetic . Time for a new fuehrer?
I think you will be surprised then come the next elections with the level of support the BNP will get.
They never really got much support in Scotland. But in alot of these wee deprived towns in England people are voting for them and willing to ignore what they stand for.
As I pointed out earlier, compared with some other European right wing parties, the BNP is a bit of a failure; even in the middle of a recession, with the parliamentary parties doing their best to discredit themselves, the BNP is making little real headway. And having just watched Question Time, I have to say Nick Griffin was pathetic . Time for a new fuehrer?
Note that Nick Griffin was an abject failure as National Organiser of the National Front, a position he held from 1978 onwards. Under his "national organising", the NF lost members and split up into rival far-right groups in the 1980s. When it split, Griffin was initially in a group called the "International Third Position", but later joined the BNP. There was little or no ideological difference involved, the main issue was who got to be Leader. Griffin ousted the then leader of the BNP four years after joining it.
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I think you will be surprised then come the next elections with the level of support the BNP will get.
Will I? I know they got two Euro MEPs elected, but that was actually on a LOWER vote than they received at the previous euro election. The reason they managed to get elected despite fewer votes was that the fall in the Labour vote was much bigger. Yes, it's possible the same thing could happen again. I will not be too surprised if they manage to get somebody elected without getting more votes. But it's still true that
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compared with some other European right wing parties, the BNP is a bit of a failure; even in the middle of a recession, with the parliamentary parties doing their best to discredit themselves, the BNP is making little real headway
Will I? I know they got two Euro MEPs elected, but that was actually on a LOWER vote than they received at the previous euro election. The reason they managed to get elected despite fewer votes was that the fall in the Labour vote was much bigger. Yes, it's possible the same thing could happen again. I will not be too surprised if they manage to get somebody elected without getting more votes.
They are far less likely to get anyone elected at the general election. They got their EP seats because of proportional representation. _________________ Visit Scotsgait then follow us on Twitter !!
compared with some other European right wing parties, the BNP is a bit of a failure; even in the middle of a recession, with the parliamentary parties doing their best to discredit themselves, the BNP is making little real headway
Dave. What do you base this on? What the leftie media tells you? Alot of selective editing goes on with regards to the BNP. I saw a live interview with Griffin earlier this week on the lunch time news which was heavily edited out of context by the tea time news.
I base my opinion on being down in an English city 6 months ago on a Saturday afternoon when the BNP had a small stall with half a dozen people and then being in the same English town last Saturday and the BNP had a massive stall and a massive crowd surrounding it. I even took pictures. Village of the damned type people.
Also, the Anti Nazi League had set up a counter stall right across from them last weekend and they were being mocked by passers by.
Sounds like the BNP are getting far more attention to me if the ANL bothered to turn up and Griffin has been featured in live interviews on various news channels all week.
A fair few people I spoken too were quite open about voting BNP these days and this is an ex-mining and army town. Traditional Labour territory. People are using language about protecting their kids future interests, their jobs, and shelling out tax payers money keeping asylum seekers housed and benefits. Being sold down the river by the main stream political parties.
You also have a fair few EDL demostrations going on in main English towns and in Glasgow in the next few weeks.
The type of people who vote BNP are the sort who buy into what the BNP say and believe what they spout about immigration and asylum seekers. They are not intelligent enough to go and check out the facts and statistics. The media and left wing don't help things by trying to put BNP members out of a job or having violent confrontations with the right wing playing into the BNP hands.
A few people are even questioning why the establishment would want to ban a legitimate political party. Democracy indeed.
I think policy wise, the BNP activists will address many of the concerns of English voters on the doorstep.
Labour are dead, the corpse is rotting waiting to be embalmed and the Tories will strike many disillusioned Labour voters as wealthy self-interested gits (although after the expenses scandal we can see they're all gits).
The LibDems haven't had a decent upswing since before the name LibDem came into existence and thus I agree with Ultra that the BNP could pull a few surprises.
They won't win a GE but they could generate momentum and kill Labour off after the next GE.
Oh incidentally, I'm still predicting Har Har as the next Labour leader, although what will she have left to lead... _________________ Every man dies, not every man really lives.
having just watched Question Time, I have to say Nick Griffin was pathetic
Well, apparently the BNP are now complaining that Griffin was "set up" by a "kangaroo court". That just makes him look even more pathetic. Remember when George Galloway was called to face a televised Hearing of the United States Senate? The senators intended that to be something of a kangaroo court. Now, I'm no supporter of GG, or of his party, or of many of his political stances, but, let's face it, the Senators got more than they bargained for, from that political bruiser. He wiped the floor with the lot of them. Can you imagine George being intimidated by a hostile Question Time? Come to that, can you imagine Alex Salmond being intimidated? Nick Griffin complaining of being "set up" just adds to what I said before: he looked pathetic. Generally speaking, if the fuehrer of a far right party allows himself to look pathetic, this may result in his leadership being on a shoogly peg.
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compared with some other European right wing parties, the BNP is a bit of a failure; even in the middle of a recession, with the parliamentary parties doing their best to discredit themselves, the BNP is making little real headway
Ultra wrote:
Dave. What do you base this on? What the leftie media tells you?
Which "leftie media" would that be? I didn't buy a paper today, but yesterday I bought the "Times". On Sunday, I bought the "Sunday Telegraph". I also, every day, read the paper that my sister buys, the "Courier"; and, on Monday, I read her "Sunday Post". True, I do sometimes buy the "Independent" or the "Guardian", as well as sometimes the "Scotsman" or the "Herald" . But no, my opinions are not based on anything that I read in any of them.
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I base my opinion on being down in an English city 6 months ago on a Saturday afternoon
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and then being in the same English town last Saturday
A very narrow basis for an opinion. I base my view of how the BNP did in the European elections on the published results for both the 2009 Euro election and the previous one. They got less votes, but managed to get two toffs elected because of the proportional system and the huge number of Labour voters who simply stayed at home.
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Being sold down the river by the main stream political parties
OF COURSE people feel like that. And of course people are using language about protecting their kids future interests etc. Like I said, we are
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in the middle of a recession, with the parliamentary parties doing their best to discredit themselves
The surprising thing, considering we have high and rising unemployment, and savage attacks on the welfare of ordinary people, and both Labour and Tory politicians exposed as corrupt, is just how unimpressive the BNP "advance" actually is.
Well, apparently the BNP are now complaining that Griffin was "set up" by a "kangaroo court". That just makes him look even more pathetic. Remember when George Galloway was called to face a televised Hearing of the United States Senate? The senators intended that to be something of a kangaroo court. Now, I'm no supporter of GG, or of his party, or of many of his political stances, but, let's face it, the Senators got more than they bargained for, from that political bruiser. He wiped the floor with the lot of them. Can you imagine George being intimidated by a hostile Question Time? Come to that, can you imagine Alex Salmond being intimidated? Nick Griffin complaining of being "set up" just adds to what I said before: he looked pathetic.
I'm with Griffin on this one. It was a Kangaroo court scenario. This is not America, btw.
having just watched Question Time, I have to say Nick Griffin was pathetic
Well, apparently the BNP are now complaining that Griffin was "set up" by a "kangaroo court". That just makes him look even more pathetic. Remember when George Galloway was called to face a televised Hearing of the United States Senate? The senators intended that to be something of a kangaroo court. Now, I'm no supporter of GG, or of his party, or of many of his political stances, but, let's face it, the Senators got more than they bargained for, from that political bruiser. He wiped the floor with the lot of them. Can you imagine George being intimidated by a hostile Question Time?
George Galloway has great trouble controlling his callers to his radio show and prefers to cut them off rather than answer any criticism or listening to differing points of view. Political heavy weight indeed Usually found whining on how he is reporting this caller to the police or what abuse he received on email.
I saw Griffin on a live TV news interview this week and he equipped himself very well in dealing with the continually interruptions from the interviewer who continually mentioned how the BNP don't let blacks into their party rather un-constructively.
In all the years of watching Question Time I have never seen such a one sided panel and hostile audience and so many quotes being mentioned about one particular guest. You might as well have had Ali G on the panel asking Griffin 'Is it cos I'm black?'
So this is the democracy we live in these days? Freedom of speech except if you are in the BNP? Decent people now wondering if indeed the BNP have been right about a few things?
Straw couldn't answer a single direct question put to him and all he did was waffle on.
Did you learn anything about the main political parties policies? Naw.
The main political parties need to come up with a far more intelligent way of dealing with the BNP and Griffin because the whole racist, holocaust denying, not letting blacks in their party doesn't seem to be having much affect any more. The loony left are being shown up as just being as extremist and violent on many occasions too.
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Decent people now wondering if indeed the BNP have been right about a few things?
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In all the years of watching Question Time I have never seen such a one sided panel and hostile audience and so many quotes being mentioned about one particular guest. You might as well have had Ali G on the panel asking Griffin 'Is it cos I'm black?'
Well said. Well said indeed. Yet the panel and folks in the audience were probably thinking "we showed him". No.. they just showed themselves up for preferring to dodge than confront.
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