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azzuri
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 Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:26 pm Post subject: Campaign for a Scottish Olympic Team |
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see - http://www.c-scot.org/
Good website with some very interesting facts.
Don't see why we can't have a team in 2012
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azzuri
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forgot to say:
Some fundraising going on here www.pledgebank.com/c-scot . You will only be asked to send money after 100 folk in total have all agreed to donate as well.
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SLG
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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There is the beginnings of an English campaign for their own team as well - http://www.englisholympicteam.org.uk/.
Meanwhile, there was a debate in the Commons about a Scottish Olympic team, in which (from http://thecep.org.uk/news/ViewItem.asp?Entry=688)
| Quote: | | Nationalist MP Pete Wishart said he had received a "grossly insulting letter" from the British Olympic Association suggesting a Scottish team would not do as well as individual Scots participating in a Team GB. |
There was also a letter in the Herald today from Ray Michie:
| Quote: | Sad display
It was a sad display in the House of Commons during Scottish Questions on Tuesday. In response to a perfectly legitimate question about a Scottish Olympics team, member after member piled in to dismiss the notion with breathtaking arrogance, derision and disdain. I wonder what such attitudes convey to our Scottish youngsters who have sporting ambitions?
Ray Michie, Tigh an Eas, Glenmore Road, Oban. |
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SLG
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| rs_azzuri wrote: | forgot to say:
Some fundraising going on here www.pledgebank.com/c-scot . You will only be asked to send money after 100 folk in total have all agreed to donate as well. |
The 100th person has just pledged  . I'd better get my cheque book out. If you haven't done so yet, you can still sign the pledge for a while longer, it's not a problem to go over the 100. |
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azzuri
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Absolutely brilliant news. I was worried that they wouldn't make the 100 target and was thinking of making the target up myself - before I realised I was skint!
What do you have to do now - just send a cheque off or can you pay them online with paypal or something?
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SLG
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| rs_azzuri wrote: | | What do you have to do now - just send a cheque off or can you pay them online with paypal or something? |
I think it stays open till the end of the month, then "Campaign Team will email you soon to give you any further information you need". I'm also keen to find out how they're actually going to spend the money! Anything to highlight the campaign will be good though. |
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azzuri
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I heard on the grapevine it was for postage/administration/website costs.
It'll allow them to get a registed PO Box, pay for better materials and maybe just give a big boost to the whole campaign.
Hope they update their site regularly.
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Anyone who pledged the £10 will should have received from the Campaign for a Scottish Olympic Team yesterday. Sounds like it's just been takeng them a wee while getting all the admin involved with setting up oficially out the way.
| C-ScOT wrote: | | We intend to build on the current raised profile in the coming months and will be in touch again soon with all the latest news on campaign progress. |
Sounds good |
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I imagine the recent Commonwealth success has spurred then on and given them ammo to attack with. 
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Would indeed be great to see the Saltire flying as the athletes enter the stadium.
What a great encouragment this would be for our youngsters and maybe stop some of them parading south of the border, however, the Scottish parly needs to get its finger out and provide the kids with the facilites.
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Obviously I disagree. Simple tribalism.
Anyway, I go for quality rather than quantity in such things.
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| Quote: | Scotland is not a UN recognised country, would we be allowed our own team?
There are 203 National Olympic Committees, including two teams from the Virgin Islands, Taiwan (Chinese Taipei), Hong Kong, Monaco, Palestine, Andorra and San Marino.
IOC Charter: "Although most National Olympic Committees (NOCs) are from nations, the IOC also recognises independent territories, commonwealths, protectorates and geographical areas."
Scotland already has the necessary number of National Federations (5) recognised at International level by the IOC. |
[their FAQ]
They don't seem to understand the Olympic Charter actually prevents Scotland from taking part. While all the areas mentioned by then have certain statuses, Scotland is part of the United Kingdom with no qualification whatever. We are not an independent territory, commonwealth, protectorate or 'geographical area' in the sense which I believe they are referring to.
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Dave78
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| Aventinian wrote: | | Obviously I disagree. Simple tribalism. |
You're right, all this tribalism at the Olympics is distasteful. Presumably you're in favour of joining up with our European neighbours and sending a united European team?
In fact, why don't we just do away with national teams altogether, and let the atheletes compete as individuals?
Would that be more suited to your Libertarian ideals? 
| Quote: | | Anyway, I go for quality rather than quantity in such things. |
That's not really in the spirit of the Olympics, is it? It's about competition, not just gold medals.
Surely you agree it's better to send as many competitors as possible (assuming they meet the qualifying standards)? |
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Dave78
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| Aventinian wrote: | | They don't seem to understand the Olympic Charter actually prevents Scotland from taking part. While all the areas mentioned by then have certain statuses, Scotland is part of the United Kingdom with no qualification whatever. We are not an independent territory, commonwealth, protectorate or 'geographical area' in the sense which I believe they are referring to. |
What extra status does Great Britain have that Scotland doesn't?
Bear in mind that Great Britain is not an independent state but a 'geographical area', and that the Olympic Council of Ireland has jurisdiction for all of Ireland? |
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Aventinian
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Well you'll note I'm merely criticising this motion, not coming out in favour essentially of the present arrangement, although it does seem to be the only practically workable one. I certainly don't think it is practical to allow anyone who feels that they want to complete to compete: there are plenty of games out there that allow competition as an individual.
As for the GB-Irish situation, participants from Northern Ireland can choose which team they wish to participate in and the GB team's full name last time around was Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Incidently, I also have a great disdain for the SFA's so-far lack of participation in the process to form a GB football team for London 2012, which has been agreed with the FA in England and the IFA in Northern Ireland.
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Dave78
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| Aventinian wrote: | | As for the GB-Irish situation, participants from Northern Ireland can choose which team they wish to participate in and the GB team's full name last time around was Great Britain and Northern Ireland. |
The BOA might have added NI to the name, but it doesn't mean the team it hails from an 'independent state'.
http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2004/01/29/story456647823.asp
"We represent the island of Ireland. We are the Olympic Council of Ireland and not the Olympic Council of the Republic of Ireland"
Again, what "certain statuses" and criteria do the GB team meet that Scotland wouldn't?
| Quote: | | Incidently, I also have a great disdain for the SFA's so-far lack of participation in the process to form a GB football team for London 2012, which has been agreed with the FA in England and the IFA in Northern Ireland. |
So long as there are Football Associations round the world that regularly attempt to force FIFA into making us play as a UK team, the SFA (and Welsh FA) won't do anything to jepordise our unique special status within the world football community. |
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azzuri
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| Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| Aventinian wrote: | Well you'll note I'm merely criticising this motion, not coming out in favour essentially of the present arrangement, although it does seem to be the only practically workable one. I certainly don't think it is practical to allow anyone who feels that they want to complete to compete: there are plenty of games out there that allow competition as an individual.
As for the GB-Irish situation, participants from Northern Ireland can choose which team they wish to participate in and the GB team's full name last time around was Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Incidently, I also have a great disdain for the SFA's so-far lack of participation in the process to form a GB football team for London 2012, which has been agreed with the FA in England and the IFA in Northern Ireland. |
Did you know that anyone from NI who wishes to compete for Great Britain in the Olympics must first receive written permission from the Olympic Council of Ireland?
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