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Cunnings · Finding Ma' Way Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 5

Please vote, opinions would be appreciated too.

Cunnings · Finding Ma' Way Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 5

No! I desired to add an I don't care option, but it don't appearing now. Sad

Rinty · Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:04 am Post subject: u

I would also vote neither.

I would only allow Turkey in if they met certain human rights agreements, give autonomy to Kurdish areas and pull out of Cyprus.

I have no actual objections to anyone being in or out but think membership can be a useful carrot to get Turkey to sort some stuff out.

sandmountainslim · Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:37 am Post subject: Re: u

Aventinian · Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:52 pm Post subject:

Yes, eventually, but they have a human rights record to deal with first.
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Cunnings · Finding Ma' Way Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 5

Thanks for your opinions

Mine is that Turkey can't join the EU because it's part of Asia, if we accept Turkey then we should also accept Morocco or Algeria If Turkey has a possibility to participate with European nations it should be under a World Union or Euroasian, let's reserve the European Union just to European nations, don't you think?

Avatar · Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:32 pm Post subject:

Well, I think the idea of the EU should be expanded to include as many countries as possible and eventually the world. Obviously not the EU itself but it should adapt, grow and change as time progresses and once it loses its relevance it should disassemble and be replaced by the next union which will include a broader membership, such as like you suggest a eurasian union or whatever.
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sandmountainslim · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:37 am Post subject:

Has it dawned on no one that the Turks still have Constantinople under occupation?
I say it is time to free that noble city and then you won't have to worry about letting them into your EU Club because they will be simply an Asian nation.
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Gorbals · Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:34 am Post subject:

I understand there are 4 requirements to join the EU:
1. Be a free, democratic nation
2. Have a stable economy
3. Be a European country
4. All the other nations are in agreement with membership

I think they fail in at at least 3 respects
1. The influence of the military is far from non-existent
3. The capital city and most of the population and land is in Asia
4. Greece has disputes with Turkey, not least over the occupation of Cyprus. Plus many catholic-dominated nations are against a Muslim nation joining the EU.

However:
2. Their economy is better than ever, and growing
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Morph · Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 3:11 am Post subject:

I dont believe that the catholic country being against a muslim country point would be strong enough to stop the membership going through. And neither it should.

However the terrible human rights record must be addressed before being allowed to reap the economic benifits of being a member state.
Also as someone stated above why not let countries outwith the EU join if it means free trade and countries changing some aspects of their country eg Human rights to be alloweed to. If used as a force to drive out some social or diplomatic injusticies then i can only see continued expansion as a good thing. However some may state that it is a step towards a New World Order
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parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

I wonder if the british government will talk about turkeys human rights record given they are known to have used state sanctioned murder of civillians themselves.

I agree though all available pressure should be put on them to sort their human rights record out.
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Neil · Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:38 pm Post subject:

It is poor, it is moslem, it isn't European & it will shortly be the biggest country "in Europe" except Russia.
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SLG · Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 1:31 pm Post subject:

I think it should be approached with caution. But it could be a very positive event. Turkey could be a bridge between the increasingly divided secular/christian west and the muslim world.

azzuri · 'Our Scotland' Fossil Joined: 12 Sep 2005 Posts: 3777

Isn't Bosnia that link though, given it's also technically within the geographical area of Europe?
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SLG · Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 1:38 pm Post subject:

Aye, but Bosnia is a small and relatively insignificant country. Turkey is a global player.

IF Convenor · Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 4:16 pm Post subject:

As some people have mentioned, there is a tiny piece of Turkey which is actually in Europe so, technically, you can get away with describing Turkey as a European country.
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Screegor · Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 5:07 pm Post subject:

imo. It would create even more political instability in the Middle East. That alone is reason enough to say no at the moment.

SLG · Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 5:11 pm Post subject:

Screegor · Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 5:25 pm Post subject:

SLG · Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 5:43 pm Post subject:

Well that has its risks as well. You exclude them from the main western political block next door to them and you can send them too far in the other direction. This could create more problems in the future. The important thing would be for Turkey to improve relations with its neighbours to the south and east.

Not an easy situation, but I'm not sure excluding them is the solution.