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FreedomNow · Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:57 pm Post subject: ETA

Do you think the Spanish government will or should have talks with ETA after the recent bombing at Madrid? I am by no means a supporter of ETA, only of Basque freedom, but if a peaceful solution is to be obtained should the Spanish government re-open dialog with the organisation?

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Aventinian · Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:53 am Post subject:

Terrorists should not be negotiated with. Of course, sometimes they're existences causes us to reanalysis our position, but they should certainly not be involved.
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Corby Boy · Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:26 am Post subject:

What's your view on NI then Av, because clearly terrorists were negotiated with there? The GFA couldn't have happened otherwise.

Aventinian · Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:35 am Post subject:

Hmm...

Well like I say, it can sometimes lead us to reassess ourselves - and I certainly think one of the positive things to come out of the Troubles was our re-evalutation of the civil rights situation in NI.

We should make ourselves whiter than white; and then go after the terrorists who keep attacking us without mercy. In this regard, I don't think Sinn Fein should've been dealt with until they had abandoned all links with the IRA. Ditto any Loyalist paramilitary links. We have a criminal offence of conspiring with terrorist groups, we should've used it.

The ends, in this case, do not justify the means as far as I'm concerned.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/141720.stm

World: Europe

Spain's state-sponsored death squads

Eta killings have plummeted since 1982

The GAL death squads emerged a year after the Socialist government of Felipe Gonzalez came to power, when killings by the Basque separatist group Eta were at their height.
Gal's mission was to destabilise Eta in its "safe havens" across the border in France.

Made up of members of the security forces and hired assassins, Gal (Anti-terrorist Liberation Groups) was responsible for 28 murders between 1983 and 1987.

The first action that Gal claimed responsibility for was the kidnapping of an alleged Eta activist, Segundo Marey. He was held for several days and threatened with death.

However, he was released 10 days later - when it became clear that he was unconnected to the group.

But his captors issued a warning that they would kill an Eta member for every murder by the separatists.

Orders from the top

The government's involvement in this shadowy armed group has been the subject of a judicial inquiry and a Supreme Court trial which has convicted two senior government ministers.

It was for ordering and financing Mr Marey's kidnapping that the former interior minister Jose Barrionuevo and his security chief were jailed for 10 years.

Eta and other Basque organisations have always maintained that the Socialist government of Felipe Gonzalez was orchestrating the "dirty war" against them.

But the former prime minister and members of his cabinet denied all knowledge of the dirty war.

The dam begins to leak

Then, in the late 1980s two senior policemen were arrested and later convicted of recruiting hitmen and funding Gal attacks.

At first they refused to name others involved, but after serving four years of their sentences, they began to reveal more details.

This led to a judicial inquiry in 1994, and later the Supreme Court trial - which is the first of many probing the extent of the government's involvement in the death squads.

A direct link

The trial established what has long been suspected - that Gal was financed by secret funds from the Interior Ministry.

Correspondents say the Spanish people would have overlooked the government's involvement - had it not been that more than a third of the people killed by the Gal death squads had no connection to Eta.

Various newspaper investigations have also added to the intrigue.

The Spanish daily El Mundo reported that agents from the Spanish military intelligence organisation Cesid were involved in Gal.

It claimed that Cesid agents kidnapped a beggar and two drug-addicts as medical guinea-pigs in preparation for the kidnapping of a leading Basque terrorist, and dubbed their kidnap plan Operation Mengele - after the Nazi doctor who carried out medical experiments on Jews, vagrants and other victims of the Holocaust
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agentmancuso · Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: ETA

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valencian · Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:43 pm Post subject:

I thought this peace-process was going to be successful, we really hoped that, but finally ETA decided to keep on killing. With this conditions you can't talk about anything with those who kill, but when and how they can surrender.

From my point of view, ETA is a great problem for us not just because it kills people, but because many people link nationalism or independentism with ETA. I hope they dissapear soon, and we have peace.
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FreedomNow · Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 1:44 am Post subject:

Killing inoccent people is not the way that Basque independence can be gained. If the government have broken their dialogue with ETA then they are back to square one and it will mean more deaths. In Ireland the IRA and the governemt came to the negociating table because they knew that one couldn't defeat the other and republicans have probably made more progress than they would have by violent means. It wasn't possible for the IRA to take over Ulster by force and it isn't possible for ETA to take over the Basque region by force either so IMO the only viable method is by political means. Appart from that targeting civillians only harms their case and makes people loose respect for their casue across the world. Similarly the republican movement in Ireland hasn't and probably never will recover from the negative press of the Omagh atrocity.
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