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Scott2006
I Love 'Our Scotland'
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 Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:41 am Post subject: Final vote by Scottish Parliament on Treaty ofUnion16Jan1707 |
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WARNING FIGURES OVERLOAD!
A nitpicking point to start with... the vote for the Treaty of Union was 110 as can be just about read here, but the Noe's are given in some reports as 69 while in others it's 67. I believe I can read 69 names in the Noe's in this image.
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APPROVERS 110 - Nobility 41, Shire constit. 39, Burghs 30.
NOE'S 69 - Nobility 19, Shire constit. 30, Burghs 20.
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Elected members Approvers = 69. Elected members Noe's = 50.
Taking information from this following site, if accurate,http://www.answers.com/topic/list...scotland-at-the-time-of-the-union
gives 1703 66 Burgh Constituencies, 33 Shire & Stewartry constituencies,
1703 Total Constituencies 99; Burgh Members 67, Shire & Stew. Members 87 - 1703 Total Elected Members 154
According to one report the Votes were 110 For Union, 67 Against, and 43 Abstentions
http://www.alba.org.uk Clicking on Timeline for the pre-1707 Scottish Parliament gives Autumn 1702 First general election in Scotland since 1689. MPs elected: 100 Court supporters, 70 Jacobites, 60 Country Party.
Membership of the Parliament seems to be between 220 to 230 members.
Quantifying the Abstainers gives 17 Burgh Members, 18 Shire Members, and possibly 6 or 8 Peers or 16 or 18.(?)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/politics97/d...tion/scotland/briefing/1707.shtml
Post-Union
1708 15 Burgh Constituencies, 30 Shire & Stew. constituencies, Total 45 constituencies;
1708 15 Burgh Members, 30 Shire & Stew. Members in the Commons; 16 Representative Peers in the Lords
The population of Scotland in 1707 (only very approximate) from this site http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/population.html is given as 1,000,000 (1 million people).
What i'd like to know is how many votes the 69 Burgh & Shire Members of the last Parliament of Scotland that became Approvers actually received?
If they averaged as much as 200 votes each this could give a figure of 69x200=13,800. As a measure of the scale of the democratic deficit this would be Pro-Union Votes/Population = 13,800 approx./1,000,000 = 1.38%
Taking the 1832 election as an example.
From the book British Electoral Facts 1832-1999 for the most democratic election of its time in 1832 had a Scottish Electorate of 64,447 (of which 14,047 were in 16 uncontested seats) the Turnout was 85% with 98 candidates from the 2 parties. (1831 population estimate 2,364,386)
Electorate/Population in 1832= 64,447/2,364,386 = 2.725%
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Votes Cand Unoppos byvoters Elected Candid Candid Votes
C 9,752 21.0% 28 4 6 10 18 24 406
L 44,003 79.0% 70 12 31 43 27 58 758
Total 53,755 98 16 37 53 45 82 655 |
If anyone has access to more reliable statistics that disproves the conjecture that about 1-2% of the population ultimately decided the make up of the commissioners of the last parliament that voted themselves out of existance i'd like to see them.
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The Scottish Parliamentarians who voted for Treaty of Union in 1706 and signed away Independence had been voted for by less than 2% of the Scottish population |
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Bob the Bruce
Finding Ma' Way
Joined: 02 Apr 2007
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Location: Germany
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Yes, and for the record, the list of shame is as follows:
Earl of Marchmont £1,104.17s7d (£67,200)
Marquess of Tweedale £1,000
Earl of Balcarres £500
Duke of Roxburgh £500
Earl of Seafield £490
Earl of Cromarty £300
Earl of Dunmore £300
Lord Anstruther £300
William Stewart of Castle Stewart £300
Sir William Sharp £300
Earl of Eglinton £200
Lord Preston Hall £200
Lord Ormiston £200
Duke of Montrose £200
John Campbell of Manmore £200
Earl of Kintore £200
Lord Fraser £100
Earl of Findlator £100
Earl of Forfar £100
Sir Kenneth MacKenzie £100
Earl of Glencairn £100
John Muir (Provost of Ayr) £100
Major Cunningham of Eckatt £100
Alexander Wedderburn £75
Treaty of Union messenger £60
Lord Cresnock £50
Lord Forbes £50
Lord Elibank £50
Patrick Coultrain (Provost of Wigton) £25
Lord Banff £11.2s
These are of course just the financial inducements, and do not cover the various titles promised, and bestowed, in guaranteeing a yes vote. |
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