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Have Israeli Judges Upheld a Racist Law

 
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Is this law Racist
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2006 1:20 pm    Post subject: Have Israeli Judges Upheld a Racist Law Reply with quote

In an attempt to protect the ethnic and religous dominance of the Jewish faith in Israel Judges their have up-held a law which will forcible seperate Arab families

http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=13&id=721352006

So read the article then vote


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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2006 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The very concept of Isreal as a Jewish state is more than nationalist, as is the Hamas doctrine on the other extreme. Of course this law is racist, its whole point being to combat the 'demographic problem' i.e. maintaining absolute Jewish supremacy in the population. The Palestinians have little cause to complain however, until thier representatives Hamas denounce terror and recognise the right of Isreal to exist.
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2006 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The state of Israel is racist, it depends on its racist constituition to survive.
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2006 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cymrofawr wrote:
The state of Israel is racist, it depends on its racist constituition to survive.


A Palestinian state, however, would be equally, if not more, so.

At least Israel accepts some of its Arab minorities within - there are Arab members of the Israeli Knessat for example. I don't see any Jews on the Palestinian National Authority cabinet.

What is needed in Israel-Palestine, as well as the rest of the world, is a non-sectarian, non-nationalist state that protects the liberties of every individual within it.
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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Jews and Christians believe in the same God, but although He is the same the New testament causes the rift between the two to put it very simply.

The followers of Judaeism or christianity are NOT"humantarians!Because God is not a humanantarian! with Him, you screw up, you die! Simple.

NO Jew is going to allow a people whose beliefs are contrary to Gods law into the land that was given to them by Jahovah God.
Obedience to God is simplyTHE most important thing.Anything after that and I do mean anything! Comes a pale second.

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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Babygael wrote:
The followers of Judaeism or christianity are NOT"humantarians!Because God is not a humanantarian! with Him, you screw up, you die! Simple.


What about those who believe in Him not perishing but having everlasting life; not to mention the forgiving of sins?

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NO Jew is going to allow a people whose beliefs are contrary to Gods law into the land that was given to them by Jahovah God.


Muslims believe in the same God as the Jews and are no more heathens under Jewish belief than the Christians are.
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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aventinian wrote:
cymrofawr wrote:
The state of Israel is racist, it depends on its racist constituition to survive.


A Palestinian state, however, would be equally, if not more, so.

At least Israel accepts some of its Arab minorities within - there are Arab members of the Israeli Knessat for example. I don't see any Jews on the Palestinian National Authority cabinet.

What is needed in Israel-Palestine, as well as the rest of the world, is a non-sectarian, non-nationalist state that protects the liberties of every individual within it.


While a united Arab/Israeli state in the holy land would be ideal, in practice it is impossible. The Arabs are against it because it would mean living in a majority Jewish state, while the Jews would be against it because a higher Palestinian birthright would eventually render them a minority in their own country.

Bizzarely, Arabs in Israel have more civil rights and liberties than Arabs in any "Arab" state. They have equality before the law, can vote in elections, can stand for the Knesset, and serve in the IDF. Paradoxically, these rights would be unlikely to survive in an independent Palestinian state, at least if the current record of democracy in Arab countries is anything to go by.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aventinian wrote:
cymrofawr wrote:
The state of Israel is racist, it depends on its racist constituition to survive.


A Palestinian state, however, would be equally, if not more, so.

At least Israel accepts some of its Arab minorities within - there are Arab members of the Israeli Knessat for example. I don't see any Jews on the Palestinian National Authority cabinet.

What is needed in Israel-Palestine, as well as the rest of the world, is a non-sectarian, non-nationalist state that protects the liberties of every individual within it.


Your right. In fact the Palestinian state is very corrupt, thats why everyone voted Fatah out and Hamas in.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cymrofawr wrote:
Your right. In fact the Palestinian state is very corrupt, thats why everyone voted Fatah out and Hamas in.


Resurrecting old threads, eh? Well, I'll join in.

Shadowman wrote:
While a united Arab/Israeli state in the holy land would be ideal, in practice it is impossible. The Arabs are against it because it would mean living in a majority Jewish state, while the Jews would be against it because a higher Palestinian birthright would eventually render them a minority in their own country.


I'm not sure if anyone is familiar with the White Paper of 1939, but in it the British Government committed itself to a monostate non-sectarian state solution, backpeddling to some extent from the Balfour declaration. Anyway, there were to be limits on Jewish immigration, resulting in no more than a 1/3rd Jewish-immigrant population. I think this is quite a conceivable goal, and with enough checks and balances there need be no discrimination between the two groups.

Obviously Israel wouldn't be so overwhelmingly Jewish had the British Mandate not been divided in such a way. A separate Transjordanian state was probably not the cleverest idea. I imagine, however, if a democratic and free Palestine was formed it might well attract immigration from around the Arab world to level up the population divide somewhat.

Either way, I imagine eventually the Jewish people will always find themselves as a minority.

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Bizzarely, Arabs in Israel have more civil rights and liberties than Arabs in any "Arab" state. They have equality before the law, can vote in elections, can stand for the Knesset, and serve in the IDF. Paradoxically, these rights would be unlikely to survive in an independent Palestinian state, at least if the current record of democracy in Arab countries is anything to go by.


There really is something to be said for imperialism, or at least multinational control. Having an externally controlled constitution, at least for a fair while, would probably be handy. Either way, not every Arab state degenerates into anarchy. Jordan has managed to survive fairly well.

And if the Jewish people don't like sharing sovereignty with the Arabs, they're always welcome in the Jewish Autonomous Oblast.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shadowman wrote:


The Arabs are against it because it would mean living in a majority Jewish state,


Actually it would be pretty close to being 50/50

Israel's population is 6,352,117 of which 5,088,046 are Jewish. So 1,264,071 are not(most of this group are Arab)
The Gaza Strip meanwhile has a population of 1,428,757 who are all(99.4%) Arab and the West Bank has a population of 2,460,492, 418,284 are Jewish and 2,042,208 are Arab. So there would be a total population of 10,241,366 with 54% Jewish and 46% Arab.

Obviously the events that have occured since Israel's inception kind of make this impossible to ever occur


(pop. stats fae https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html )
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whenever a state has been put together with the intention of allowing one ethnic group, if it holds together, to absolutely domnate another your are going to have hatred & bloodshed. With our connection to Northern Ireland we have no excuse for not knowing that. Cyprus, Bosnia & Hercegovina, most of Africa, Iraq (though the histroically dominant Sunnis are a minority), Fiji, Missippi, Lebanon.

In any case there are obviously no circumstances in which Israel would allow total co-citizenship to people who had supported suicide bombing.

Meanwhile Saudi Arabia has more than twice as many guest workers from the Philipinnes than there are Palestinians in the occupied territories. Apparently the Saudis find Filipinnos aren't as uppity as the Palestinians so they prefer them around.. They could end the refugee problem tomorrow but instead they fund refugee camps as good anti-Israeli publicity.
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