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Rinty · Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 5:08 pm Post subject: Mayday Rally Edinburgh

Edinburgh May Day 2006

Saturday 29 April 2006. Assemble at Market Street, Edinburgh at 11.30am
Speakers include:

BOB CROW - General Secretary of RMT Union
ROSE GENTLE - Military Families Against the War
COLIN FOX - MSP
ROBINA QURESHI - Positive Action in Housing
ALAN BROWN - PCS
Plus entertainment:

EASTBORN & DJ SWITCH
CULTURE CLASH featuring RISE KAGOMA (Bhundu Boys & Champion Doug Veitch)
COMMOTION - Scotland's leading women's drumming group
RAB NOAKES
TAM DEAN BURN (River City)
PROTEST IN HARMONY
CAMCORDER GUERRILLAS
PLUS OTHERS
Come and join the May Day demonstration and rally to celebrate the history and struggles of working men, women and children around the world!

parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

i wouldnt get out of bed for an event rose gentles is speaking at.
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Rinty · Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 5:17 pm Post subject: B

parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

the woman should have been so vocal in her opposition to her son joining the army in the first place. the british army is the sharp end of british imperialist policy abroad and everyone knows what their job is, no one is under the impression they are boy scouts so i find her pontificating now hypocritical, her son knew what he joined up for he isnt some kind of innocent victim. the innocent victims in this are the iraqi people, her son was their oprressor. I have no sympathy for her or her son only for the innocent iraqis and their families that have been killed.

i also dont see the validity in your comparison stormont is the centre of political activity in the six counties and all who have been elected by the people should be there, paisley wants to include sinn fein though simply because he doesnt like the ira, well thats not democracy. this is a political event and my opinion is i dont want to go and listen to a woman weeping and wailing about how great her murdering son was, just my opinion.
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Rinty · Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 8:22 pm Post subject: h

parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

the reason she is speaking is so we all feel so sorry for this woman and her brave son who died fighting in this pointless war, well the war may be pointless but her son certainly wasnt brave. from when i have seen her speak and read what she has written i have never seen her denounce the british army as a whole as a murderous imperialist force, maybe when she does that i will begin to listen.
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Rinty · Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 9:32 pm Post subject: y

She has done more to keep Iraq on the agenda than most and I am grateful for that. Whether her son was "brave" or not is irrelevant to her appearance at mayday. Mayday is about international solidarity.

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parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

and when they take that wage they know what it is for, its blood money. i will resevre my sympathy for those who have had to fight the british army when they have invaded their country.
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"there is no equality in a society that stands upon the political and economic bog, if only the strongest make it good or survive" bobby sands MP

Rinty · Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 5:50 pm Post subject: y

But Rose Gentle wasn't in the British army. I'm just back from the Mayday rally and Rose spoke about the growing movement she has started. She called for an end to the occupation of Iraq by British and American Troops. She reminded us again of Tony Blairs lies.

Even if her son was at fault, the work she has done to end this foreign occupation has far outweighed that.

stuarty · Finding Ma' Way Joined: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 13

rose gentle and colin fox at the same event, no thanks. rfb, your comments are simply callous and biased due to your own blinkered viewpoint, she was not in the army and she is a grieving mother. your 'cause' and beliefs are are not well reflected with such venomous views.
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azzuri · 'Our Scotland' Fossil Joined: 12 Sep 2005 Posts: 3796

yet the question remains parkhead, what about James Connolly?
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parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

had james connolly been killed in service with the british army then history would have recorded him as another one who took the queens shilling and would have deserved no sympathy. He later went on though to more than redeem himself, perhaps this guy gentle would have done the same but we can only deal with the facts of the situation.
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azzuri · 'Our Scotland' Fossil Joined: 12 Sep 2005 Posts: 3796

...so you're saying you respect Connolly because he wasn't killed in service, but you reserve your anger for Gentle becuase he was unfortunate enough to be killed?
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parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

i respect connolly because he went on to become a heroe for irish independence and the workin class people of ireland. he learned his lesson about the true nature of the british army. i still dont award any sympathy to those killed in foreign oppresive wars i would be a hypocrite to do so.
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"there is no equality in a society that stands upon the political and economic bog, if only the strongest make it good or survive" bobby sands MP

azzuri · 'Our Scotland' Fossil Joined: 12 Sep 2005 Posts: 3796

I think you've already shown on this thread that you're a hypocrite.
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Rinty · Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:37 pm Post subject: j

Rose Gentle didnt take the shilling and wasnt killed in a foreign war.

You seem to be saying that if Gordon Gentle had survived the war and supported Irish independence then his stint in the army would have been forgiveable but his crime was getting killed.

And that any relatives of soldiers are as guilty as them, but only if they get killed. If they survive then they become ok again? Is that it?

What about Davie Kirkwood?

parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

i am not saying they are guilty but neither do i think that they should be afforded any great status. All the weeping and wailing from these relatives and how they are so against this war, fine but dont expect me to have sympathy or respect for people simply because their sons or daughters were mercenaries.
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"our revenge will be the laughter of our children" bobby sands MP

"there is no equality in a society that stands upon the political and economic bog, if only the strongest make it good or survive" bobby sands MP

Rinty · Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 6:36 pm Post subject: h

I'm not asking you to weep and waail or have sympathy for Gordon Gentle. I would, however, ask you to campaign against the imperialist occupation of Iraq just as you would the occupation of Ireland. And I would ask you to be able to give your support to that cause even if some of the people taking part are the parents of soldiers.

Cindy Sheehan brought the war back to the front pages in the USA. Some of the men who fought in vietnam were instrumental in the movement that helped end it.

parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

i am totally against the war in iraq and try and support whatever events i can.
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"our revenge will be the laughter of our children" bobby sands MP

"there is no equality in a society that stands upon the political and economic bog, if only the strongest make it good or survive" bobby sands MP