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Maol.Chaluim · Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 6:49 pm Post subject: Pinochet is dead

Augusto Pinochet, ex dictator of Chile, is dead.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6167237.stm

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sandmountainslim · Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 11:35 pm Post subject: Re: Pinochet is dead

Rinty · Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 11:59 pm Post subject: g

He was the finest example a facist dictaor in my lifetime, a real scumbag. good riddance. The idea of a parliamentary road to socialism died by his hand on 11th september 1973, the 9/11 for south americans. I know a woman who's father was killed, a doctor who was in the communist party, his children came to live in Scotland and have lived here ever since.

I dont often celebrate death but I am glad he has gone and I hope that if hell exists he is burning there right now.

If any of Salvador Allendes family survived his death sqauds i hope they are popping the champagne corks tonight.

Democracy has one less enemy in the world.

Scott2006 · Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 12:39 am Post subject:

Pinochet has provided for his family by having millions of dollars put in banks around the world from his time as the CIA's puppet. Typical self-appointed corrupt despotic murderer.

Margaret Thatcher has already come out with some mealy mouthed words of praise. Stupid old crone should have said nothing.
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sandmountainslim · Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:24 am Post subject:

I see I am once again in disagreement with the majority Smile

We shall disagree once again in a few weeks (or months) when another well known Latin American Strongman goes on to his reward.
That is one thing which I like about this forum, no one is afraid to speak their mind no matter what.
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azzuri · 'Our Scotland' Fossil Joined: 12 Sep 2005 Posts: 3776

I was speaking to an Aussie today who was in Cuba just a few weeks ago when some Military parade was supposed to be happening. All the tourists and many of the locals think that Fidel is already dead - the rumours just don't seem to stop. If it's the case then the leaders are probably s**t-scared to announce it in case it starts a civil war.

Anyway, this Aussie guy saw the 'parade' live on TV in Havana just 2 or 3 blocks from the hotel himself and his friends were staying at. According to the news there were thousands and thousands of people turned out in the streets to celebrate and cheer the parade, however these guys decided to take a walk down and see the parade for themselves. They got to the spot within 10 minutes, by which time the whole crowd, banners, ticker tape and military precession were nowhere to be seen despite it still being shown 'live' on TV.

He told me that it is also illegal in Cuba for locals to start conversations with tourists - they are only allowed to conversate if spoken to first - another one of Fidel's strange laws....
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Rinty · Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:50 am Post subject: y

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Maol.Chaluim · Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:19 am Post subject: Re: Pinochet is dead

Maol.Chaluim · Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:23 am Post subject:

... not to mention the $27m (and counting) that he stole from his country...
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Maol.Chaluim · Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:27 am Post subject: Re: g

Rinty · Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:57 am Post subject: u

This Solidarity's Official Statement on the issue released earlier today:

Thatcher's Pinochet Tribute is an Obscenity

Margaret Thatcher's tribute to General Augusto Pinochet, who died yesterday at the age of 91 from heart failure, is an insult to the thousands who were murdered and tortured under the Chilean dictator's savage regime. Even more of an insult is the fact that he was never brought to justice for his crimes against humanity, despite the many efforts to do so. In light of this, we can and must never forget that the Blair government defied an extradition request from a Spanish court in 1998 and released Pinochet from house arrest, thus spitting on the memory of his victims.

On September 11, 1973, a democratically elected socialist government, led by Salvador Allende, was overturned in a military coup orchestrated and led by Pinochet with the close support of the CIA. Allende was brutally murdered, along with 3,000 of his supporters, and with them died the light of socialism and human progress in that nation for a generation.

Throughout the 17 years of his rule thereafter an estimated 250,000 trade unionists, teachers, progressives and leftists were either imprisoned, tortured, or disappeared.

Pinochet was also a key participant in Operation Condor, a pact of murder he entered into along with the then military dictatorships of Brazil, Argentina, Bolivia, Paraguay, and Uruguay to target suspected Marxists, socialists, leftists and their supporters in the region.

Thatcher, a repugnant human being and another enemy of the working class, gave succour to the Pinochet dictatorship throughout her years in office, in the form of arms sales and loans with which to purchase those arms.

The brutal nature of this regime was indeed well known to her and to leading members of the British establishment, which is why Solidarity, in response to Pinochet's death and Thatcher's tribute to him, reaffirms its commitment to the cause of socialism around the world. In so doing, we pay tribute to Salvador Allende and to the thousands of Pinochet's victims, all martyrs to the cause of human progress.

The struggle continues.

Avatar · Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 4:46 pm Post subject:

Im pretty sure Salvador Allende killed himself, atleast thats what the evidenece supports.
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Rinty · Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:52 pm Post subject: b

That is not the case, in my opinion, the official announcement that he killed himself has never been confirmed but it is quite irrelevant anyway as everyone else around was killed and he would have been anyway.

Avatar · Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:37 pm Post subject:

True
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sandmountainslim · Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:12 pm Post subject:

I have managed to illustrate absurdity with absurdity without anyone being the wiser.
It has shot clearly over the heads of everyone here.
I speak up in defense of a brutal Latin American Dictator and everyone piles on to attack him while others on this forum speak of other brutal Latin American Dictators as if they were godlike figures or Robin Hood in khaki.
Left Wing, Right Wing it is all the same to those who have been murdered or had their property stolen by these men.
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Rinty · Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:55 am Post subject: y

To be fair slim you do what you are accusing others of doing by speaking out against one leader that you consider to be a dictator while defending another one.

Allende and Chavez were/are popular democracticaly elected leaders and are exempt from the "dictator" label

sandmountainslim · Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:18 pm Post subject: Re: y

Aventinian · Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:21 pm Post subject:

History will probably look far more kindly on Pinochet that we do. Human rights abuses tend to fall into the historical abyss with time, and noble ideals seem to become yet more noble. His legacy is a positive one, but achieved through revolting means.

The point is well made above: he is basically a Fidel Castro for the right.

I didn't support his methods, and I've never been a supporter of the idea that ends justify means. I'd certainly never celebrate his death though, I do believe he, like every human being, had some positive attributes within him; any man's death diminishes us as humanity.

Maol.Chaluim · Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:57 pm Post subject: