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Babygael · Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject: Scotlands hand in the slave trade

Let's all support Scotlands Independence, as indeed I do, but as badly as Scotland was treated by the engerlish and in fairness by their own also, never the less, it can in no way compare to what happened to the African people who were enslaved in their millions.And yes Scots, who complain about their own 'slavery' at the hands of the engerlish,like I do, also had a hand in it...be patient and listen to....... Trading truth.....Bunce island.......Hang a 1000 trees with ribbons

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/ma....shtml?http.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/s
cotland.shtml

As it does not all fit on the page...go to 'History" far right and then click on the above titles,its radio and so you will need time to listen when and indeed if you want to.

However, it is very interesting!

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parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

now now you cant say that. scottish people were all too busy making haggis, eating shortbread and wearing kilts to get involved in slavery and imperialism.

surely you must be mistaken.
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Babygael · Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 8:56 pm Post subject:

Parkheid sweetie,yew are the last person I would have expected to be facetious! So explain, if you will just what you mean by that, 'cause I would really like to know where you are comming from! Cool

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Babygael · Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:47 am Post subject:

Well the facts are there! So whats to deny! Sure lets pretend Scots are the only aggrieved ones in the Brit empire!! I am a Scot and I love my country/people/Freedom/Independence but not at the expense of truth.

What I seek is a true democracy, a government who serves the people but not one who wants to be served by the people. Many might think what has slavery got to do with anything,but it has influenced how we as Scots view others who are 'not like us'. If this were not so there would be no need for the word 'racism'. It simply wouldn't have been invented , not that it is solely because of Scots by no means!

The English are the ones who have perpetrated this fallacy and it has affected us all for hundreds of years. The Scots/Irish have felt this racism why deny the same pain suffered by others?

Scotland is another star in the sky, of the universe that we share with many others, it's not OUR universe , but it's 's my star and I want it to shine, end of.
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Aventinian · Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:42 am Post subject:

I'll echo Anthropos' comment there.

If it hadn't been for the British, the Africans would still be capturing and selling slaves. It is the North and West Africans who are the ones primarily responsible for African slavery - and yet it is also they who are never criticised for it because of a certain racism in Western society that overlooks their contribution.
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Babygael · Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 2:11 pm Post subject:

Slavery is still practiced in certain countries,but the slavery in the Caribbean was a direct result of the British who provided a market for it.The "Middle passage" was a dire thing, many slaves died and many were thrown overboard if the ship was caught in a storm or whatever.The African shores were often littered with the bones of the dead.

Anyway, its not just slavery it's Caribbean slavery,IE British slavery.This was a particularly brutal version, and this was the breeding grounds for racism to this day. Slavery in the Caribbean is on the lips of every one who's lives was touched by it one way or another. Its almost a daily subject of discussion, in art,or in music,radio.TV,books and indeed in every aspect of life. And as a result a strong need by many to remove any vestige of a colonial IE British past from Caribbean life.

This same type of reaction is felt by many Scots today towards the English for their treatment of them. I resent it also and it will never be put right until Scotland is back in the hands of Scottish leaders who do not speak and act for England,Scotland will have it's own voice and will speak for it' self. Its not a question of racism, but the simple and proven fact is,that you cannot trust any English Government and so they have to go.
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Aventinian · Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:08 pm Post subject:

Aventinian · Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:11 pm Post subject:

Update: It's funnier than I would have guessed. He's listed on a website about Aberdeen Tramps: http://aberdeentramps.blogspot.com/2006/01/peter-dow-update.html

Apparently the Crown is trying to kill him by cutting off his dole. Quite fitting really with all his commentary about the Queen.
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Anthropos · I Love 'Our Scotland' Joined: 15 Jul 2006 Posts: 323

Yes nothing has been heard from Mr Dow in recent months, but I just had a look at your link, and oh dear! The guy is still an absolute nutcase!

see:

http://snsb.byethost31.com/scottishrepublicannews.htm

I think a padded cell would suit Mr Dow, he seriously seems to have a deep rooted urge to hit rock bottom.

The guy can seem rather eccentric, but I actually think he is mentally ill.
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fiferjohn · Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:44 pm Post subject:

it is something that should not be forgotten and if westminster is not big enough to apologise for it then Scottish parliament should in their roll in it and show the way that we can admit we did wrong even if it was long a go .
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Babygael · Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:12 pm Post subject:

I doubt you can find someone as big an ejit as you Anthropos,no offence.
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Aventinian · Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:58 pm Post subject:

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Holebender · Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:28 pm Post subject:

She's probably too old for oor Peter. Some of his ramblings have included a stout defence of paedophilia.

Here's a quick example from http://voy.com/142268/

Rinty · Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 4:57 pm Post subject:

Much of Scotlands (especially glasgows) wealth, trading companies and banks were built on the slave trade, either directly or indirectly. We didnt play a subordinate role any more than english peasants played a subordinate role. Our imperialists and "adventurers" were every bit as eager and as cruel as the English ones.

The arab slave trade, like the european one, was around for centuries but it was greatly increased to supply the new markets of British, Spanish and other slave based colonies.

Its a bit like the opium trade, it is miniscule, but exists, without the massive, lucrative western demand. Using the idea that there was always a trade in slaves in Africa to justify the mass murder and dehumanisation of whole populations that was a result of our penchant for sugar, cotton and tobacco is ridiculous.

Aventinian · Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 12:57 am Post subject: