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SLG
Born Again..........and still Scottish!
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 Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:32 pm Post subject: TRYWERYN - 'UNNECESSARY CLEARANCE' DESTROYED A COMMUNITY |
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| Quote: | CELTIC LEAGUE - PRESS INFORMATION
TRYWERYN - 'UNNECESSARY CLEARANCE' DESTROYED A COMMUNITY
Forty years after the destruction of the Welsh speaking community
of Capel Celyn to allow the construction of a dam to supply drinking
water to Liverpool it is being alleged that the whole exercise was
unnecessary.
70 people saw their way of life destroyed when they were driven from
their homes in one of the most iniquitious 'clearances' of modern
times in the Celtic countries.
However, a new documentary to be screened on BBC2 Wales will assert
that the flooding of a village was not necessary. "Drowning a Village",
produced for BBC2 Wales by Llion Iwan, will claim Liverpool Corporation
had more than enough water when the Tryweryn reservoir was created.
Llion Iwan, a lecturer in journalism at the University of Wales in
Bangor, said that working on the project opened his eyes to the turbulent
times that led up to the flooding and also stimulated an unprecedented
rise in support for Welsh nationalism
"The research I did shocked me," he said, "strongly suggesting that
it was never necessary to drown the village at all. Even today, Liverpool
does not use all the water from Tryweryn. The questions haven't been
fully answered - for example, what use is made of the 'excess' water,
if you can call it that?"
There were nine years of protest preceding the evictions and following
the drowning of the community there was a rise in militant nationalism
which took many forms. Constitutionally Plaid Cymru won success at
the ballot box whilst at the same time organisations such as the FWA,
MAC and the language movements started active campaigns of militancy
which continue till this day.
J B Moffatt
Secretary General
Celtic League
11/03/06
The Celtic League has branches in the six Celtic Countries. It works
to promote cooperation between these countries and campaigns on a
broad range of political, cultural and environmental matters. It highlights
human rights abuse, monitors all military activity and focuses on
socio-economic issues.
Internet site at
http://www.manxman.co.im/cleague
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/celtic_league/ |
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Celyn
No Longer a Wean
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Location: Glasgow
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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I suppose it's just another case of "because it was there. We are powerful. We want it. We shall have it, and oh, the rest of you can go to hell".
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On the twenty-third day of September,
There were two bold young boyos who went,
To the mountains of green Merioneth,
From the black mining valleys of Gwent.
They were patriot sons of the Gwerin,
And their glorious tale shall be sung,
When the bells of betrayed Cwm Tryweryn,
Under Liverpool's waters are run.
Down in Bala the people were sleeping,
And the moon over Tegid shone bright,
As the boys from Tredegar and Bargoed,
Clocked in on the shift for the night.
When they reached the electric transformer,
They destroyed it by draining the oil
And delayed all the work in the valley,
That the ignorant Scouse wants to spoil.
In the papers the following morning,
We all read of the deed that was done,
And we cheered the struggle for freedom,
Which by deeds such as this shall be won.
So here's health to each one of you Welshmen,
Who can well understand what it meant,
When a blow for the Nation was struck by
Those two boys from the valleys of Gwent.
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Aventinian
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Could it perhaps be that either the full facts are not known to the people making the programme, or that the full facts were not known to Liverpool City Council at the time. Both seem considerably more likely.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing when you're on a crazed mission to prove your own victimhood mentality.
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Leathlaobhair
No Longer a Wean
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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Location: Every day above ground is a good day
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| Aventinian wrote: | Could it perhaps be that either the full facts are not known to the people making the programme, or that the full facts were not known to Liverpool City Council at the time. Both seem considerably more likely.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing when you're on a crazed mission to prove your own victimhood mentality. |
I've done a lot of research on Capel Celyn and it's an important part of Welsh Nationalism. For instance most of Plaid Cymru's earliest electoral success resulted from Capel Celyn. People suffered due to this, there's nothing about a victimhood mentality.
The article doesn't mention that Liverpool City Council apologized on the 40th anniversary of the dam building.
I guess it's a start.
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Cymro
I need ma own bl**dy forum!
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The drowning of Cwm Celyn was a disgrace. A disgrace now accepted by Liverpool City Council as they appologised a few months ago.
It wasn't a case of not knowing information as Aventinian suggests is possible. If it was, why did the committee responsible visit the area in secret? Why did they decide on the issue in secret? Why did they only tell the people of Cwm Celyn that their village was about to be flooded on 22nd of December? Just before Christmas! It now appears that Liverpool did not need the water either, their other water supply, Lake Vyrnwy (wich was also built at the expense of a Welsh village) more than supplied enough water. The excess water from Celyn was actually SOLD by Liverpool.
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Leathlaobhair
No Longer a Wean
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Location: Every day above ground is a good day
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| Cymro wrote: | The drowning of Cwm Celyn was a disgrace. A disgrace now accepted by Liverpool City Council as they appologised a few months ago.
It wasn't a case of not knowing information as Aventinian suggests is possible. If it was, why did the committee responsible visit the area in secret? Why did they decide on the issue in secret? Why did they only tell the people of Cwm Celyn that their village was about to be flooded on 22nd of December? Just before Christmas! It now appears that Liverpool did not need the water either, their other water supply, Lake Vyrnwy (wich was also built at the expense of a Welsh village) more than supplied enough water. The excess water from Celyn was actually SOLD by Liverpool.
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Do you have a source for this (esp. the water selling part)? I could use it for a research paper.
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Cymro
I need ma own bl**dy forum!
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It was stated in the programme. Im sure if you go to the BBC webiste and search on the issue they will have a link to the programme and news articles about it.
Sorry I cant be of more help than that at the mo. |
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