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The Lithgae Jambo
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 Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:48 am Post subject: The Union Dividend |
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Scotland's oil industry will receive a massive Budget boost this week when Alistair Darling reveals plans to increase North Sea production by 20% over the next five years. The Chancellor will unveil millions of pounds worth of incentives to the beleaguered oil industry to help extract up to two billion barrels of oil worth more than $100bn.
He hopes the extra tax revenue raised will help make a dent in the Government's debts, which he will confirm on Wednesday to be £175bn, much higher than the £118bn forecast in November and the worst deficit since the Second World War.
Aye, Alistair. You couldn't be doing that without the Union, could you ?
http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman....boost-for-Scottish-oil.5183909.jp
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Shagpile
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| Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Aye, Alistair. You couldn't be doing that without the Union, could you ? |
Another good reminder of the "Union Dividend", and who benefits.
No doubt someone will post what benefits we receive.  |
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Cruachan
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Aventinian
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| Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:01 pm Post subject: Re: The Union Dividend |
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| The Lithgae Jambo wrote: | | Aye, Alistair. You couldn't be doing that without the Union, could you ? |
No he couldn't, but he isn't the one who has to justify that being that he is a Unionist - it's the Nats who have to justify advocating banking bail outs when they could not afford them, along with a whole host of other nonsenses.
| Shagpile wrote: | | Another good reminder of the "Union Dividend", and who benefits |
Who, the British people?
Once again, imagine! British oil being used by the British government for Britain... |
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mairead
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Correction. Scottish Oil being used for the bail out of a Union Government.
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George
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| Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 7:39 am Post subject: |
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I wait for The Budget to see if Labour go ahead with the £1 billion in cuts.
How will it look to the electorate:
As Scotland's contribution to the UK Treasury increases the 'grant' from Westminster decreases.
'They take what we've got'. |
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linoleum
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| Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| ehm, scotland is part of the union and thus so is the oil.in the unlikely event of indepedence it could then be seen as scotlands oil but scotland is not independent.so, that'll be that then. |
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Lord Pitsligo
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| Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:49 am Post subject: |
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| linoleum wrote: | | ehm, scotland is part of the union and thus so is the oil.in the unlikely event of indepedence it could then be seen as scotlands oil but scotland is not independent.so, that'll be that then. |
In which case everything is everyone's and the whole issue of who subsidises who doesn't even come up?
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Shagpile
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| Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: The Union Dividend |
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| Aventinian wrote: | | Once again, imagine! British oil being used by the British government for Britain... |
I prefer to imagine Scotland being governed for the benefit of Scots. |
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Shagpile
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| Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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| linoleum wrote: | | ehm, scotland is part of the union and thus so is the oil.in the unlikely event of indepedence it could then be seen as scotlands oil but scotland is not independent.so, that'll be that then. |
OK then Linoleum, just what benefits of union do you think the Scots will be loathe to give up on? You would like to see a referendum or do you balk at the possibility? |
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Shagpile
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| mairead wrote: | | Correction. Scottish Oil being used for the bail out of a Union Government. |
Yet....... again.
In sharp contrast to the official version told to the Scots all them decades ago. |
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Aventinian
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| mairead wrote: | | Correction. Scottish Oil being used for the bail out of a Union Government. |
The government is not some sort of self-serving body that throws money into a big hole in the ground. British oil has been used to prop up our economy through hard times and provide for a great deal of investment in infrastructure over the years. This country is in a far better shape because of it.
Moreover, even your fellow Nationalists here admit there is no justification for calling it 'Scotland's oil'. It ain't. |
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Holebender
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| Aventinian wrote: | | The government is not some sort of self-serving body that throws money into a big hole in the ground. |
Actually, that sounds like a pretty good description of GB Brown's mob.
| Aventinian wrote: | | British oil has been used to prop up our economy through hard times and provide for a great deal of investment in infrastructure over the years. This country is in a far better shape because of it. |
This country being the UK, I presume? London and its environs have, indeed, benefitted enormously, particularly in infrastructure. Scotland, especially the North East, seems to have fared far worse. Hell's bells man, Aberdeen is still waiting for a bypass more than 30 years since the start of the oil "boom". Individuals in the North East have done well, but the infrastructure is laughable. Compare Scotland to places like Alberta and Alaska and you'll soon see the scale of the robbery.
| Aventinian wrote: | | Moreover, even your fellow Nationalists here admit there is no justification for calling it 'Scotland's oil'. It ain't. |
Care to name names and quote quotes? I don't recall anyone, other than you, saying the oil is not Scotland's or that the term isn't justified. Some may agree that technically it is the UK's oil at the moment but (as you are so often pointing out vis a vis national identity) it is perfectly possible to be British and Scottish at the same time!
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| George wrote: | | I wait for The Budget to see if Labour go ahead with the £1 billion in cuts. |
Yeah, I will be interested to see how much of a hit we have to take. Salmond and co forecasted that it would be £500m when the anticipated treasury cuts were £5bn. Now it has gone up to £15bn, will Scotland's share go to £1.5bn?
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Aventinian
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| Holebender wrote: | | Aventinian wrote: | | The government is not some sort of self-serving body that throws money into a big hole in the ground. |
Actually, that sounds like a pretty good description of GB Brown's mob. |
There's nothing worse in this country than that sort of ignorant, disrespectful cynicism. I don't agree with Gordon Brown on a whole range of issues, but I respect him as the Prime Minister of this country and a man who went into politics with sincere concerns and convictions to make this country a better place.
| Quote: | | This country being the UK, I presume? London and its environs have, indeed, benefitted enormously, particularly in infrastructure. Scotland, especially the North East, seems to have fared far worse. Hell's bells man, Aberdeen is still waiting for a bypass more than 30 years since the start of the oil "boom". Individuals in the North East have done well, but the infrastructure is laughable. Compare Scotland to places like Alberta and Alaska and you'll soon see the scale of the robbery. |
Well then the question should be asked - does Aberdeen need a bypass? I don't know; I certainly don't think its a major political issue.
It is well evidenced that public spending in Scotland is higher than in England, and considerably higher than most of the other UK regions. Oppression fantasies don't cut the mustard here.
| Aventinian wrote: | | Care to name names and quote quotes? I don't recall anyone, other than you, saying the oil is not Scotland's or that the term isn't justified. Some may agree that technically it is the UK's oil at the moment but (as you are so often pointing out vis a vis national identity) it is perfectly possible to be British and Scottish at the same time! |
This thread: http://ourscotland.myfreeforum.org/ftopic6185-0-asc-20.php
Incidentally, you yourself refused to defend the premise that it was Scotland's oil, instead suggesting it would be after independence.
It is owned by the Crown Estate, and de facto by the British Government and thus the United Kingdom. It does not have an identity, and it is not "Scotland's". |
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Lord Pitsligo
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| Aventinian wrote: | | Holebender wrote: | | Aventinian wrote: | | The government is not some sort of self-serving body that throws money into a big hole in the ground. |
Actually, that sounds like a pretty good description of GB Brown's mob. |
There's nothing worse in this country than that sort of ignorant, disrespectful cynicism. I don't agree with Gordon Brown on a whole range of issues, but I respect him as the Prime Minister of this country and a man who went into politics with sincere concerns and convictions to make this country a better place. |
Good god, now you think politicians are immune from criticism?!?
Now I know how Hitler took power, with sheeple like you doing as your told.
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Stevie
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| Quote: | | I don't agree with Gordon Brown on a whole range of issues, but I respect him as the Prime Minister of this country and a man who went into politics with sincere concerns and convictions to make this country a better place. |
How long ago did he last consult his principles?
Was it when he and Tony sold out the Labour movement ideals?
Was it when he stabbed Tony in the back for 11 years?
Was it when he let the 'b******s' steal $250 billion pounds of taxpayers money (all the time smiling - if his uncomfortable false-grin can be described as a smile).
Was it when he decided yesterday to release a N° 10 video limiting MP expenses abuse, a year after he couldn't be bothered to vote in a bill to do just that.
Was it when he proposed a bill to stop people losing their houses and since that bill 25000 people have lost their homes.
Was it when he didn't give £1 million for bee sickness research but gave away a small fortune at his G20 bash to impress Obama and voters here(neither of whom were very impressed for very long).
Was it ... well anyway, it goes on and on for this man whom you respect.
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chicmac
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[quote="AventinianThere's nothing worse in this country than that sort of ignorant, disrespectful cynicism. I don't agree with Gordon Brown on a whole range of issues, but I respect him as the Prime Minister of this country and a man who went into politics with sincere concerns and convictions to make this country a better place.
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Then, sorry, but you are irretrievably dellusional. |
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Aventinian
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| Lord Pitsligo wrote: | | Good god, now you think politicians are immune from criticism?!? |
No, I think most - particularly the Prime Minister - should be immune from vicious character slurs and pointless mud-slinging. I do not question his motives, I question his judgement and his ideology.
| Quote: | | Now I know how Hitler took power, with sheeple like you doing as your told. |
Haha.
| Bravehand wrote: | | Was it when he and Tony sold out the Labour movement ideals? |
I don't believe they did. They made the Labour Party electable.
| Quote: | | Was it when he stabbed Tony in the back for 11 years? |
Well, by the sounds of it, Tony stabbed him in the front.
| Quote: | | Was it when he let the 'b******s' steal $250 billion pounds of taxpayers money (all the time smiling - if his uncomfortable false-grin can be described as a smile). |
I can't say I noticed any theft of that sort, and yes he cannot smile well - he has sustained facial injuries, what of it?
| Quote: | | Was it ... well anyway, it goes on and on for this man whom you respect. |
Shockingly, everyone makes mistakes - and a lot of issues are far from the clear-cut snappy solutions you suggest. You've essentially proven my point: you make no effort to understand, instead you just attack. |
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Holebender
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| Aventinian wrote: | | Holebender wrote: | | Care to name names and quote quotes? I don't recall anyone, other than you, saying the oil is not Scotland's or that the term isn't justified. Some may agree that technically it is the UK's oil at the moment but (as you are so often pointing out vis a vis national identity) it is perfectly possible to be British and Scottish at the same time! |
This thread: http://ourscotland.myfreeforum.org/ftopic6185-0-asc-20.php
Incidentally, you yourself refused to defend the premise that it was Scotland's oil, instead suggesting it would be after independence.
It is owned by the Crown Estate, and de facto by the British Government and thus the United Kingdom. It does not have an identity, and it is not "Scotland's". |
You tried to misrepresent me in that thread and you continue to do so here. Of course the oil is Scotland's; there is no other country with a valid claim to it and no other country making any claim to it, except your precious UK. But guess what? Scotland is (for now) part of the UK so surely anything which belongs to the UK belongs to Scotland. Furthermore, the UK recognises everything north of the Tweed as falling under Scots Law. Even the UK designates it as Scotland's in that sense.
Going back to your other points, I have absolutely no respect for politicians who lie and cheat and line their own pockets at public expense. I don't care which party they represent, but I do care which high office they hold because they debase that office with their self-serving scams. They are the ones who have brought government into disrepute, not people like me who voice legitimate concerns about their antics. I can (and do - when it is merited) respect the offices they hold, it is they who do not. They have forfeited the right to any respect.
I take it you have written many angry letters to all those newspapers which have dared to criticise the various cabinet members who have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar over they years.
And finally to your other wee pointette; it is well documented that the spending the government cares to tell us about is higher in Scotland than in England, but their figures are as skewed as the infamous GERS numbers. It's our money they are sloshing about but have you never worried (or even wondered) why they don't account for all of it? They just pick and choose which parts of their use and misuse of our taxes to reveal to us and which they'll keep to themselves. Don't tell me with the armies of civil servants at their disposal they don't actually know where all the money goes.
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