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sgmillerton · Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:27 am Post subject: aberdeen, rangers and celtc.

who will do us best with the co-efficent this year, rangers, aberdeen or celtc?

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Rinty · Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 12:37 pm Post subject:

Aberdeen simply wont get the games to have a higher coeeficient and Celtic and rangers already have three points for reaching the group stages of the CL plus their points from the qualifying rounds.

I would say Celtic as they are more likely to pick up points at home, in my opinion. Cant see either of them reaching the quarter finals so it all about who gets most points in their group.

It will be close though.

Hopefully all three will do reasonably well, boosting the overall total as it would be good for the Scottish Champions to go straight into the CL groups atges as we did a couple of years ago. We are replacing 2002-03 season in the coefficient so hppefully we can score higher than we did that season, increasing our overal total.

That was the season that Celtic reached the UEFA final so it will be hard for Celtic to better that, but overall for Scottish teams, every other team went out in the UEFA first round with very few points so perhaps we can beat that this year.

Cymro · Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:16 pm Post subject:

What do you mean by coefficient?

Rinty · Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:09 pm Post subject:

It is the points awarded by UEFA that determines places in seeding for draws etc. It is very important for Scotland and for Scottish teams as we are on the borderline between getting an auotmatic champions league place and having to qualify, also in international draws, we are coming out of pot 4 (fourth best group of teams) and are very close to being in pot 3 (third best group of teams).

Moving up a few points could mean an automatic champions league place and the probablility of facing euro draws that are not as dificult as now.

Cymro · Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:25 pm Post subject:

Ah right, Wales I think are probably around Pot 9!

In my opinion the Chapiions League should be exclusively for the Champions in each league + the winners of the CL pervious season. It makes a facrce that teams in the EFL who are say 4th can get into the same stage as the Scottish Champions. I realise the EFL is of a better standard overall due to the huge investment but a Champion is a Champion regalrdless of who they beat to get there.

sgmillerton · Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:28 pm Post subject:

Rinty · Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:57 am Post subject:

"I think rangers may pick up more points than celtc but arseholes are like opinions, everyones got 1."

You ARE an opinion Wink

The point is that rangers have ALREADY improved their co-eficient as in 2002-03 they were knocked out in the first round of the UEFA cup. They matched that coefficient, points-wise, after their first qualifying round of thisyears CL.

Celtic have a big job to do to match their results in 2002-03 but have the aded bonus of six CL games and the bonus points for reaching the CL to do it with. Celtics incredible home record in the CL points to being able to gather at least some moe points on top of those that they have won already.

Overall though, the fact that both of the old firm are in the CL should mean that we can at least match the 2002-03 season for the scottish clubs in total.

sgmillerton · Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:43 pm Post subject:

no, having looked at the co-efficent website over the last 3 seasons rangers have been miles ahead of celtic, 1 season celtic are ahead by 1 point and the other celtic romp it due to their defeat in seville. overall rangers co-efficent in europe is the best of all scottish clubs. they are currently top of the co-efficent leauge for this season. my money is on them as they have been the better performer in europe. doubtless celtic atrocious away record in europe ( i draw in 13 c/l away games. i believe that is the 2nd worst all time away record in the c/l ever) has not helped them at all.

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darkside · Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:53 pm Post subject:

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Rinty · Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:35 pm Post subject:

"no, having looked at the co-efficent website over the last 3 seasons rangers have been miles ahead of celtic, 1 season celtic are ahead by 1 point and the other celtic romp it due to their defeat in seville. overall rangers co-efficent in europe is the best of all scottish clubs."

Why start the sentence with "no" when you are not disagreeing with any of my points? In the last three seasons rangers have had the better coefficient in 2 seasons, Celtic, one, the "artmedia season" being a blip for Celtic and Scotland. However the fifth last season (the one that will drop out of the reackoning) Celtic had the UEFA final and Rangers had an early exit as bad as Celtics artmedia season.

For that reason rangers rating will improve this year and Celtics will struggle to stay the same and might drop. Getting to the champions league gets you three bonus points on top of the points in the qualifying matches. If Celtic get their standard 7-9 CL group points then they will get another 7 coefficient points or so and possibly more if they go through to the knowckouts or to the UEFA cup. So their points will probably be less than in 2002-03, assuming that we don;t end up in the UEFA final again this year.

For Scottish clubs we have to hope that the combined coefficient points from this season matches or betters the combined points from 2002-03. Rangers will contribute more than they did in that year, Hearts and Dunfermlines points will be little or nothing as the other two clubs contributed in 2002-03.

The 5 current years of the coefficient Celtic are above Rangers in 24th with a coefficient of 62.064, Rangers are in 45th place with a coeeficient rating of 47.064.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/trank2007.html

In the year that is dropping out Celtic had 23.43 and rangers had 4.43. So, when you take that year out Celtic will drop to a coefficent of about 39 plus whatever they get this year, Rangers will drop to 42 plus whatever they get this year, giving Rangers a slight edge.

Celtic have a higher coeeficient than Rangers in three of the last 5 years, Rangers are ahead in both of the last two years.

Celtics away record as far as the coeffiecient goes, is not the worst by a long shot. By looking only at the CL group games you miss the whole picture for the coefficient and that includes some away wins and draws for Celtic. This season they have already drawn in Moscow and in recent years, included in the coefficient years, draws in Milan, barcelona (twice) wins in Liverpool.

Scotland are ninth on a coefficient of 6.75 but, unless one team or more has a great run this year, we will drop to a much lower position as Russia and Ukraine are right behind us.

sgmillerton · Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:03 am Post subject:

Rinty · Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:57 pm Post subject:

Without a doubt as it has already happened. Whatever happens in the rest of the campaign Rangers have already got a higher coefficient next season than they do this season. For Celtic to match their current position they will have to be second in their CL group or, if they finish third, make it to the UEFA quarter finals. But, as they have reached the quarter finals of the UEFA recently and the last 16 of the CL just last season then its not impossible.

Cymro · Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:31 pm Post subject:

Who'd have thought football could be so complicated?

sgmillerton · Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:36 pm Post subject:

rangers are romping away with this just now. 7 games, no defeats and only 1 goal conceded.
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Rinty · Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:42 pm Post subject:

Yes thats another one point for Rangers and Scotlands coefficient. I think Rangers coefficient is now at 11 points for the season maybe a bit more. With Aberdeen already scoring higher pionts than all of other teams outside of celtic in 2002/03, and rangers and celtic building points in the Champions league we have real chance of maintaining something like the position we are in now at least.

The way it's going I think that another two wins or four draws or combination of the two from any scottish team would hold our coefficient.

sgmillerton · Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:32 pm Post subject:

actaully, even more impressive was the 'more than a club' display by 50,000 fans. puts to shame any other teams organised displays in britain.
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Rinty · Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:13 am Post subject:

"actaully, even more impressive was the 'more than a club' display by 50,000 fans. puts to shame any other teams organised displays in britain."

Proud were you? Have you forgotten that your current ID is supposed to dislike rangers as much as celtic?

sgmillerton · Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:46 am Post subject:

sgmillerton · Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:47 am Post subject:

in fact would that king of attitude not be fundamentalist 'i hate them, EVERYTHING about them is bad and nasty and horrible'
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