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Claymore · Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:55 pm Post subject: Libdem Xenophobic name calling

So what does everyone think of this? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6373159.stm

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I'm not that offended to be honest. Some types of nationalism are xenophobic - equally, some members of other parties are xenophobic too about French, Germans and asylum seekers.

If he said this specifically about the SNP then I think it's wrong to label a whole party this way. Its worse that he said negative stuff at a time whent eh party leader was bleating on about being positive.

Its good though that a remark like this gets met with an immediate rebuttal from the SNP. Then there's a retraction of remarks which seem to backfire and threaten to overshadow Ming's conference message, whatever it was.
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George · This is Ma' Life! Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 767

Not sure about this, notice how easily the subject has slipped into the mainstream news.

It could be nothing more than an idiot making an ignorant remark but if that was the case then the Liberals will surely be roasted for it.

Glen Campbell very quickly moved from asking the Liberal spokesman why no unqualified apology to suggesting to Nicola Sturgeon that there may in fact be a case to answer.

The Liberal spokesman then went on to accept that in fact that the SNP were not xenophobic......but continued into a negative rant about corrosive separatists, constitutional haggling etc.

One day on from the Liberal conference and Nicol Stephens proclamations regarding name calling and positive messages have fallen apart.

Now, let us see how our media professionals deal with this. Question Time on Thursday will reveal whether this is a put up job in order to taint the SNP, in which case watch as Dimbleby attempts to beat the SNP member of the panel with it or whether it really is a dreadfull error on the part of the Liberals in which case it is they who should be on the defensive.

Aventinian · Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 4:37 pm Post subject:

SLG · Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 4:48 pm Post subject:

But you could say the same for all the British parties. I don't hear them calling the Tories xenophobic. I would say that the SNP are much more outward looking than either the Tories or Labour.

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frank rizzo · Activist Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 149

He did label the SNP xenophobic.

Anyway, according to the unionists:

Scottish nationalism = bad, parochial, xenophobic and dangerous.

British nationalism = good, inclusive, fair and welcoming.

Yep, this will be the Fib Dems not being negative eh? Jokers.
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frank rizzo · Activist Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 149

Every political party is nationalistic to various degrees. The Fibs, Tories and New Tories are british nationaists, the SNP Scottish.
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Andy McH · Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 6:31 pm Post subject:

From what I remember about this interview Jamie Stone did infer that the SNP were a xenophobic party. I believe that this was a premeditated comment which was intended to plant a seed of doubt in the mind of the electorate. Jamie Stone chooses to defend himself in the way that is often used by extremists.
"I have very good friends in the party for whom I have the very greatest respect,"
Rather like the "I'm not a racist some of my friends are Black" phrase uttered by those found using racist language.
He chose to give a reserved apology if he had offended anyone, rather than an unreserved apology.
He is no stranger to uttering untruths. In 1999 his election literature carried the Lie "It's Scottish Liberal Democrat, Jamie Stone or Labour here - no other result is possible!"

IF Convenor · Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 6:44 pm Post subject:

Ah the old "two horse race" Lib-Dem election leaflet. They try it everywhere in an attempt to get all the tactical voters believing they have to vote Lib-Dem to unseat the incumbent. It doesn't matter if they came fifth in the last election, they still try the "two horse race" trick.

There are no depths they will not plumb.
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azzuri · 'Our Scotland' Fossil Joined: 12 Sep 2005 Posts: 4274

While there may be the odd xenophobe nationalist, it is like saying that all Lib Dem supporters like to hire rent boys to ***** on them just because Mark Oaten enjoys it.

Remember Simon Hughes' campaign when he slated Peter Tatchell for being gay only to be outed himself last year when he stood for the leadership campaign?
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Claymore · Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:24 pm Post subject:

You can watch the video of him calling the snp xenophobic, even brian taylor who id pretty much consider to be more unionist thinking, said don't be silly the snp are not xenophobic, stone said well i beg to differ

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6373159.stm

Apology or not that does not paint the Lib Undems in a good picture

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Aventinian · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:07 am Post subject:

mrjocku · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:09 am Post subject:

xenophobia [(zen-uh-foh-bee-uh, zee-nuh-foh-bee-uh)]

An unreasonable fear, distrust, or hatred of strangers, foreigners, or anything perceived as foreign or different.

Just so we're all clear...
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Corby Boy · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:18 am Post subject:

Aye 'mrjocku'. That's Av alright he considers Scot Nats foreigners and different!!!

mrjocku · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:45 pm Post subject:

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