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Red Justice · Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:43 pm Post subject: Scotland Referendum Online

Came across this website tonight apparently still under construction.
http://www.scotlandreferendumonline.com/

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carol · Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:26 am Post subject:

That site has been in limbo for about a year RJ. There was someone at an IF meeting over a year ago looking for support for a new website. I'm sure it was this one.

Red Justice · Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:28 am Post subject:

Oh right. That's a pity Carol I thought I had stumbled upon a pro-independence referendum website about to be newly launched. Still it does appear a good idea that websites supporting the referendum could be launched and also receive some support from campaigners.
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carol · Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:35 am Post subject:

It may still get off the ground, I don't know why it has never progressed

Alasdair · Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:08 am Post subject:

If you look at the forum I'm sure the last (only?) post was June 2008 ... still if it's been in development for this long I doubt it'll be fully functional anytime soon.
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carol · Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:13 am Post subject:

Alasdair it was 2007, that's how I'd figured out it had been in limbo since then Wink

carol · Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:17 am Post subject:

check out the memberslist! Some strange ones! It is the site I was thinking about there's a familiar name there

Alasdair · Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:09 am Post subject:

carol · Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:18 pm Post subject:

I avoided the url's for obvious reasons!

I had emailed a person a few months ago regarding progress with this sight, never had anything back Crying or Very sad

Montenegro · Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:35 pm Post subject:

Most of scotish proindependence sites are not handled well in my opinion.
BTW;When will referendum be probablly organized?I think that Scotland deserves to become an independent land once again.

Red Justice · Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject:

I think the existing pro-independence sites are well enough presented or constructed but they don't seem to be updated too frequently.

The referendum will take a fair bit of organising if or when the SNP can get a Bill through Holyrood etc..What the Nats and campaigners should be aware of is the propaganda onslaught that will likely come from the Unionist media. And effort that would be put into a campaign from those who want to retain the status quo. That is why Salmond's idea for a multi-option referendum by way of STV is well thought out or a clever move by the SNP for once.
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Montenegro · Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:29 pm Post subject:

Red Justice · Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:49 pm Post subject:

The referendum idea put forward by the SNP would be by way of presenting a Bill to the Scottish Parliament around 2010 and attempting to get it passed. At present it is not guaranteed that a majority would vote YES for independence but what is clear is that people in Scotland are looking for some self-determination and may prefer to settle for more powers for the Scottish parliament. It is up to supporters of independence to keep presenting the arguments between now and the Scottish parliament deciding on a referendum, and a referendum being presented to the Scottish people.

Yes I agree independence would be best as I think it will come sooner or later, and better sooner. Then I as a socialist will want to continue the struggle for a socialist society even as the Nationalists are drinking their champagne and celebrating independence. Through independence I would want a fairer society whereby money is not spent on weapons or fighting wars but public services, hospitals, housing etc...
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Montenegro · Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:05 pm Post subject:

Red Justice · Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:15 pm Post subject:

Well with I don't want to argue but Tito had good intentions but if you remember socialist Yugoslavia you will know better than me about living conditions for the people.

I am for democratic socialist society not a Stalinist country. I would prefer a world without borders. Borders are put their by capitalists to fight over. However every country is different and Scottish socialism is not a repressive model.

In short I would trust a Scottish Communist before I would trust a Nationalist.
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Montenegro · Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject:

Red Justice · Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject:

The Soviet Union and China was and are very large countries and the communists became out of touch from the people. What libertarian or even some nationlist minded fools forget is that Scotland has always been egalitarian by tradition and is a small nation we could have socialism or a fully communist society.

What works in one country does not necessarily work for socialists in another.

That is why the end game should be Marxist in theory and world socialism.
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Montenegro · Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:06 pm Post subject:

Holebender · Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:11 am Post subject:

Red Justice · Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:46 am Post subject:

I never used the the word "because" I was simply pointing out the size of the countries therefore the task for Communists. Perhaps it would of helped if I had included a full stop before saying "and the communists became out of touch from the people" I was meaning the size of the countries was only a factor but not the only one it is less to blame than the eventual final revisionism of these regimes.

You omit the words I say "What works in one country does not necessarily work for socialists in another." then I said "That is why the end game should be Marxist in theory and world socialism." the second sentence is a follow on from the first.

Solialism in one country (because of varying factors or conditions) may fail so it is best to have a system of world socialism in practice (and Marxist in theory.)

As for Scotland I believe socialism would work because we are a small nation whereby the people are traditionally socialist or egalitarian in nature. We can be both socialist and self-sufficient with our land and resources. That may come as a disappointment to those nationalists who would merely settle for an independent capitalist Scotland. But to disappoint you us Commies will not be going away in the near future. Therefore we are here to stay so learn to live with it

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