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Rinty · Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:13 pm Post subject: BNP to stand in Baillieston

The BNP have announced Charlie Baillie as their candidate for the council by-election.

Aventinian · Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:46 pm Post subject:

Nice chap, is he?
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Lord Pitsligo · Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:20 am Post subject:

Bye-bye deposit!
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Red Justice · Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:53 am Post subject:

Corby Boy · Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:34 am Post subject:

Why Baillieston? Is that where the Loudon Bar is located? Smile

Or is it provocation to those of Irish Catholic descent?

Agree with Red Justice, no decent folk should have any truck with these guys.

Aventinian · Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:21 pm Post subject:

Runaway Weegie · Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:38 pm Post subject:

I've been lurking on this forum for a good while, but I thought it was about time I lost my virginity, so to speak. Hello everyone.

I come from Baillieston originally. The BNP will pick up a handful of votes from dinosaur Orangemen. They're a highly endangered species. Thankfully rumours of a breeding programme have proven to be unfounded.

Those I've spoken to back home say they'll probably vote SNP, if they can be bothered to vote at all. Even my dad, a former union organiser, has given up on Labour.

Lord Pitsligo · Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:50 pm Post subject:

Reluctant Hero · Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject:

Welcome to the forum Runaway Weegie Very Happy

I live in the next village to Baillieston - Bargeddie. I agree, I don't get any feeling that the BNP would pick up a significant vote.

Going on the Glasgow East Westinster by-election, the SNP must be amongst the favourites to take it.
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Rinty · Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:51 am Post subject:

"a handful of votes from dinosaur Orangemen"

Even that vote would be split between the BNP and the candidate representing the Scottish Unionist Party - Proud to be Scottish, Proud to be British.

Seriously though, orangemen are not as easily pacakaged as that when it comes to elections. In my area the local members of the orange order are usually active in the Labour Party. I know some orangement who vote tory, it one time that would have beem most of them.

I think the BNP will attract some votes from bigots who may or may not be orangemen (probably not) and probably attached to the minority of Rangers supporters who dont even know what the orange lodge is about other than buying some cans to walk alongside a parade drinking, wearing a football top.

William_Cleland · Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:30 am Post subject:

OK, Ballieston at the last Holyrood election.

Who did the 494 BNP voters on the regional list vote for in the constituency section? Based on the numbers released on an Excel Sheet by the Scottish Office the breakdown was:-

Conservative 123 24.9%
SNP 120 24.2%
Labour 103 21.7%
Blank or Uncertain 70 14.2%
Lib Dem 37 7.5%
Bible Thumper 37 7.5%

Who did the 164 Scottish Unionist voters vote for in the constituency section? The breakdown was:-

Conservative 83 50.6%
Blank or Uncertain 25 15.2%
Labour 23 14.0%
SNP 16 9.8%
Bible Thumper 10 6.1%
Lib Dem 7 4.3%

An even bigger eye-opener is what the 432 BNP voters did in Cunninghame North:-

Campbell Martin 118 27.3%
SNP 116 26.9%
Conservative 115 26.6%
Labour 59 13.7%
Lib Dem 12 2.8%
Blank or Uncertain 2.8%

Rinty · Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:55 am Post subject:

Interesting figures William and certainly confirms my belief that 'the orange vote' is not as easily predicted as people would think.

In my opinion, when people see support for the BNP from people they might deem as 'orange' they are more likely talking about some bigot, right-wing, football supporter rather than an actual orangeman.

I remember hearing about a public meeting in a scottish town a few years ago that Tommy was speaking at. When he came into the hall the local organiser pointed that that there were two rows of orangemen at the back. Tommy expected a heckling on his views on the monarchy, but they were actually there to see if Tommy would assist them fight a rumoured BNP candidate.

In my town it is the orange lodge who organise the war memorial events, remembrance sunday etc. When the BNP stood a council candidate locally in 2003 local orangemen expressed their views that the BNP were nazis and that they opposed them, citing WW2 as their reason.

William_Cleland · Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:33 am Post subject:

Think some people need to move beyond crude stereotypes and get their head around the fact that the Union Flag for many people in Scotland is a much cherished symbol of freedom precisely because it is the flag the British Army saluted when they fought against Nazism and Fascism in WWII.
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Aventinian · Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:02 pm Post subject:

William_Cleland · Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:18 pm Post subject:

Yes on the breakaway Orangeman bunch bit although they were inactive for quite a while after that.

Aventinian · Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:21 pm Post subject:

Bunch of clowns. I'm finding it interesting, on the Orange front, just how much contempt the NI Conservatives appear to have for Orangeism and so forth - it's all emerging since the suggestion they were to be merging with the UUP.
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William_Cleland · Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:07 am Post subject:

Jeffrey Peel the deputy chairman definitely seems to know how to win friends and influence people:- Smile

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/politics/Sir-Reg-has-failed-to.4397480.jp

In a subsequent e-mail to a member of Reg Empey’s own party, Mr Peel said: “Also, frankly, I’m bored with the ‘holier-than-thou/Orange Order must never be criticised’ stance taken by so many ‘Unionists’ out there. I’m moving on. I’d suggest you go and take refuge in an Orange hall somewhere and console yourself that you have faith and there won’t be any Catholics in your midst. Because that’s your choice and as a Conservative I’m all for choice. Although it’s not a choice I’d take. If, on the other hand, you want to move beyond the tribal swamp that masquerades as Ulster/Protestant culture we’d be happy to welcome you as an active member of the Conservative Party.”

Judging by what is in the News Letter today it sounds like the UUP are still keen, though:-

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/polit...-denies-UUP-split-over.4418061.jp
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Aventinian · Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:12 pm Post subject:

Ha!
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William_Cleland · Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 2:14 am Post subject:

Someone with a more cynical outlook than yours, Arventinian, might conclude that a few unrepresentative upper class twits on the North Down Riviera are deliberately trying to annoy the proles so they can sabotage the merger process and maintain their current positions within the Conservative party hierarchy. Smile