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| Economist |
Annabel and co will always be a breed aparthttp://www.sundayherald.com/oped/..._will_always_be_a_breed_apart.php
The sooner they do that, the sooner they might become a force for good in Scottish politics. |
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| azzuri |
If they did actually commit to Independence and got a decent leader on board, I'd vote for them. | ||||
| Anthropos |
The key point in the article was this:
"Their recent business manifesto was typical. The document said that the party should take a look at fiscal autonomy, take a look at fast rail links, take a look at this and that. But there was no substance, no coherence. Certainly no vision." They have got to stop pledging to take a look at things and start pledging to do things, the main thing being fiscal autonomy. The only way to defeat the malignant socialist drift of the country is to ensure there is a direct relationship between taxes and public spending. Whether or not Scottish voters will continue to elect the kind of knuckle trailing socialists (who put ideological purity above all else) when it has a direct impact upon their pay packet remains a moot point, but without it there isn’t even a case to make. |
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| Aventinian |
Yeah, at the cost of their core support. ---------- "WELL THAT'S the way it is sometimes in politics. If someone is a bit slow you get people shouting "come on you fat b****rd, come on you ginger b****rd, come on you Tory b****rd". In Scotland, "Tory" is still a term of abuse for many." And in England too. There's plenty of Socialists and their ilk out there. I'm sure Dave Cameron even knows where to avoid. I am beginning to lose faith in Goldie though. Of course she's a good woman, but she's yet to stand up and give much in the way of vision; it's a fair point. |
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| Reluctant Hero |
If you are talking about the Tories core support in Scotland, then I think you can live with losing a couple of hundred people. If you are talking about the core support down south, then as long as you say that you are going to reduce the basic rate of income tax in the same sentence, then I don't think people will care too much about what happens in Scotland. |
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| Corby Boy |
I am all for the Tories in Scotland to go for independence, as I am likely to vote for them doon here in the next election (first time ever!), wouldn't dream of voting Labour and the Lib Dems are a joke as always. I would vote SNP if I could, but they don't stand in Cheshire West!
My tory vote in England may hasten Scotland's passing out of the union gate, and down independence road. |
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| Aventinian |
Har har. So basically, what is being advocated in abolishing the Tory Party and replacing it with something completely different? You might as well just do that then. |
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| Lothian Sky |
the Tories might as well just call it a day in Scotland under their current guise, and that's quite sad considering the country is creeping to the right. However, if they went pro-independence, they would definately have a future in Scotland. If that meant they were no longer Tories in the proper sense of the word then so be it. We'd then have pro-independence parties to the left, the right and the centre. Until then, they are fairly useless.
Labour has stolen their clothes. How long will they continue to walk around in the buff? |
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| Aventinian |
The Tories are the third party of Scottish politics with a decent share of the vote, and can pretty much only gain on what they have - they've managed to keep their position without any sort of expired action since devolution was introduced, after all.
If they went for Scottish independence, they'd get maybe a quarter of the SNP's support, which is nowhere near what they have now. Are you trying to say there's no difference between the SNP, Labour and the Tories other than Nationalism? |
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| Andy McH |
quote]Har har.
So basically, what is being advocated in abolishing the Tory Party and replacing it with something completely different? You might as well just do that then.[/quote] Is that not what Blair did with the Labour party? It got him elected for a record three terms before being found out. 
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| Economist |
They won't be gaining anything in the short term, in Scotland, I'd say that is pretty much a certainty. In fact, in their current state, I can't see them gaining anything until they change beyond what they are now. You seem to be suggesting, Aventinian that people would walk away from the Tories because they have ditched their dogmatic and irrational support of the Union and towards independence. So if we had a Tory party in Scotland - that supported all the other things Tories normally support, like enterprise, self-reliance, individual choice, small government AND independence for Scotland, liberally minded people (who support choice, small government etc) would just walk away from the Tories because they've ditched Unionism? I don't think so. And if this were true then Tory vote in Scotland could be construed as being the hardened Unionist vote in Scotland? That that is all that Tory voters care about - the Union? I don't think so either. I think their vote, would by en large hold, with the additions of some other people (myself included). I don't believe the majority of their support is hinged, even significantly, on their policy on the Union. In fact, the people this would most weaken would, paradoxically, be the SNP! |
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| Corby Boy |
Economist, so true. I know a fair few folk in Scotland who would vote Tory if they embraced independence.
If they did I probably would myself given the choice if I resided in Scotland, although who is more likely to deliver the concept of independence, sooner SNP or Tory? |
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| Economist |
Good question. Although I'd just be happy for both those parties to work together to achieve their common objective of independence, then we can sort out who does what after the event 
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| Corby Boy |
Quite. | ||||