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cullen-skink
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Come the UK General Election...I live in dinburgh SW. Now I pretty much always voted Labour up to 1997. I haven't been able to stomach them much since then.
As time went by, I found the SNP more attractive and I suppose I would be an SNP voter now. Come the GE though, I don't think they realistically have much of a chance here. I have a pretty grim choice though: Darling, the nearest rivals LD, who I really have no time for, or a pretty forlorn SNP vote.
Who to choose? Basically, I was wondering if any one else votes tactically and if so, who for?
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Ultra
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Re: Come the UK General Election... | cullen-skink wrote: | I live in dinburgh SW. Now I pretty much always voted Labour up to 1997. I haven't been able to stomach them much since then.
As time went by, I found the SNP more attractive and I suppose I would be an SNP voter now. Come the GE though, I don't think they realistically have much of a chance here. I have a pretty grim choice though: Darling, the nearest rivals LD, who I really have no time for, or a pretty forlorn SNP vote.
Who to choose? Basically, I was wondering if any one else votes tactically and if so, who for? |
If the SNP had delivered the election promises they promised and came up with intelligent ideas on how to move Scotland forward I may well have voted for them.
But they haven't delivered and now that they have run out of other parties ideas to get them by the focus has switched solely to independence.
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Stevie
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Re: Come the UK General Election... | Ultra wrote: |
If the SNP had delivered the election promises they promised and came up with intelligent ideas on how to move Scotland forward I may well have voted for them. |
Who are you kidding?
Your Brit Natism would prevent any such idea from crossing your mind.
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Ultra
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Re: Come the UK General Election... | Stevie wrote: | | Ultra wrote: |
If the SNP had delivered the election promises they promised and came up with intelligent ideas on how to move Scotland forward I may well have voted for them. |
Who are you kidding?
Your Brit Natism would prevent any such idea from crossing your mind. |
Do you still get your postal vote in France Stevie?
How do you know what I think Stevie?
What are your experiences of Scotland currently Stevie to base your decision on who you would vote for?
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Stevie
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You seem to think you know what I think and 'don't like'.
A set of questions designed to make me waste my time.
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Ultra
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| Stevie wrote: | You seem to think you know what I think and 'don't like'.
A set of questions designed to make me waste my time. |
You are wasting our time Stevie as you know very little about Scotland currently and post up threads with ill thought out ideas from afar.
I would rather debate independence and come up with solutions and move Scotland forward than wasting time discussing things with a plastic Scot like you.
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Stevie
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'plastic Scot'... ouch, that hurts.
Brit Nat, Brit Nat, Brit Nat.
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Stevie
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One reason not to vote Labour :
they didn't manage the purse strings very well. Actually, in this case they didn't spend the money allocated to them... incompetence or supplication to their Westminster spymasters? | Quote: |
It is not as if these amnesiacs were not given the money; as was pointed put in a statement earlier this year, the coalition handed an awful lot of money back to HM Treasury because they did not spend the money allocated. I wonder why this was the case? We are all familiar with the “Use it or lose it” philosophy, but still how on earth did they manage to hand back the following sums: 2002-03 £394 million, 2003-04 £623 million, 2004-05 £382 million, 2005-06 £139 million and 2006-07 £135 million. To put it in simple terms, in their last 5 years in office they handed back £1.673 billion to the Treasury. An awful lot of money, some of which could have been spent on crumbling schools, smaller class sizes, slopping out at prisons, to name but a few.
How coincidental that the election of an SNP Government led to the tightest budget settlement since the Parliament was elected, and an even bigger squeeze coming with the credit crunch; did the Illiberal Labourites have instructions from London on spending – they had them for everything else? Or is it the case that because they did not spend the budget the Treasury thought that they had more than enough, but it was Scotland that bore the brunt and not the politicians. |
compliled by Jim Lynch (Scots independent magazine)
Well, no surprises there then.
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Dave Coull
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| cullen-skink wrote: | | I was wondering if any one else votes tactically |
I often vote tactically, if I vote at all. When I lived in Devon, I voted Liberal Democrat tactically. I knew the Tory candidate personally, and couldn't stand him. But nowadays, if I lived in England, I might even be tempted to vote Tory tactically. I think if David Cameron gets a majority, he might stand a fair chance of being the last prime minister of the united kingdom.
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Shagpile
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Re: Come the UK General Election... | cullen-skink wrote: | I live in dinburgh SW. Now I pretty much always voted Labour up to 1997. I haven't been able to stomach them much since then.
As time went by, I found the SNP more attractive and I suppose I would be an SNP voter now. Come the GE though, I don't think they realistically have much of a chance here. I have a pretty grim choice though: Darling, the nearest rivals LD, who I really have no time for, or a pretty forlorn SNP vote.
Who to choose? Basically, I was wondering if any one else votes tactically and if so, who for? |
Well vote Labour and you'll get cuts.
Vote Tory........ and you'll get bigger cuts.
Vote Lib Dem and you'll get nothing.
Vote SNP and you will seriously wory all of the above three.
Vote BNP as a protest and again you will worry the big Westminster three.
But here's somthing original....... vote what you think is best for your priorities. If you want to vote tactically and are wanting advice, go to a bookie.
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Fidget
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Re: Come the UK General Election... | cullen-skink wrote: | | dinburgh |
That's probably what Westminster calls it as well. 
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Shagpile
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Re: Come the UK General Election... | Fidget wrote: | | cullen-skink wrote: | | dinburgh |
That's probably what Westminster calls it as well. |
Now there's a case in point......
Fidget really, really wants a referendum on independence. I'm of the view he wont be voting SNP any time soon. The only party commited to having one.
So will he be voting tactically? Who knows....... maybe he's just clueless.
Yet it does illustrate why the Scots should be given a referendum on independence....... helped you any? What do you think?
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Fidget
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Re: Come the UK General Election... | Shagpile wrote: | | Fidget wrote: | | cullen-skink wrote: | | dinburgh |
That's probably what Westminster calls it as well. |
Now there's a case in point......
Fidget really, really wants a referendum on independence. I'm of the view he wont be voting SNP any time soon. The only party commited to having one.
So will he be voting tactically? Who knows....... maybe he's just clueless.
Yet it does illustrate why the Scots should be given a referendum on independence....... helped you any? What do you think? |
My remark was tongue in cheek. But anyway, I do want to see a referendum on Scottish Independence. The sooner the better.
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magister ludi
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Re: Come the UK General Election... | Ultra wrote: |
If the SNP had delivered the election promises they promised and came up with intelligent ideas on how to move Scotland forward I may well have voted for them. |
Your're not thinking "tactical defection" are you? Could be a good career move though,.......you know, get in before the rush.
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landg
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| Dave Coull wrote: | | cullen-skink wrote: | | I was wondering if any one else votes tactically |
I often vote tactically, if I vote at all. When I lived in Devon, I voted Liberal Democrat tactically. I knew the Tory candidate personally, and couldn't stand him. But nowadays, if I lived in England, I might even be tempted to vote Tory tactically. I think if David Cameron gets a majority, he might stand a fair chance of being the last prime minister of the united kingdom. |
you think cameron will be prime minister for,what, hundreds of years?
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landg
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i will vote for one of the moderate centre right parties but not the snp, too many broken promises. waffle and kaschtumping. and then the issue of broken promises on a referendum on independence.
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Stevie
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| landg wrote: | | i will vote for one of the moderate centre right parties but not the snp, too many broken promises. waffle and kaschtumping. and then the issue of broken promises on a referendum on independence. |
Of course a Brit Nat would never vote SNP. Waffling on about 'broken promises', this being the new approach on the board here.
They try... though not very well. Not even a tiny little bit convincing.
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landg
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| Stevie wrote: | | landg wrote: | | i will vote for one of the moderate centre right parties but not the snp, too many broken promises. waffle and kaschtumping. and then the issue of broken promises on a referendum on independence. |
Of course a Brit Nat would never vote SNP. Waffling on about 'broken promises', this being the new approach on the board here.
They try... though not very well. Not even a tiny little bit convincing. |
thing is though, i'm convinced as are the majority of scottish voters who vote pro-union.
your opinion is just that, an opinion. results are facts and facts are facts.
the majority vote pro-union and there will not even be an referendum on a referendum on independence.
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Stevie
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What happened to the I would vote SNP if there weren't too many broken promises especially the referendum (that all yoo Brit Nats are against anyway).
More effort to stop you contradicting yourself is required.
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landg
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| Stevie wrote: | What happened to the I would vote SNP if there weren't too many broken promises especially the referendum (that all yoo Brit Nats are against anyway).
More effort to stop you contradicting yourself is required. |
i'm comfortable with the snp's centre right policies just not the indepedence thing thus i will never vote for them.
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Stevie
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| landg wrote: | | i will vote for one of the moderate centre right parties but not the snp, too many broken promises. waffle and kaschtumping. and then the issue of broken promises on a referendum on independence. |
So in effect you just wrote a lot of contradictory convenient nonsense because you would never vote SNP because of the independence thingy.
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landg
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| Stevie wrote: | | landg wrote: | | i will vote for one of the moderate centre right parties but not the snp, too many broken promises. waffle and kaschtumping. and then the issue of broken promises on a referendum on independence. |
So in effect you just wrote a lot of contradictory convenient nonsense because you would never vote SNP because of the independence thingy. |
too many broken promises from the snp, don't want independece, no i won't vote snp.
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Stevie
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As I said, contradictory and therefore disingenuous.
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landg
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| Stevie wrote: | | As I said, contradictory and therefore disingenuous. |
ok.GENUINELY, i won't ever be voting snp as long as they have policy of seeking independence.that is one of a few reasons.
thats genuine.
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Stevie
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| landg wrote: | | Stevie wrote: | | landg wrote: | | i will vote for one of the moderate centre right parties but not the snp, too many broken promises. waffle and kaschtumping. and then the issue of broken promises on a referendum on independence. |
So in effect you just wrote a lot of contradictory convenient nonsense because you would never vote SNP because of the independence thingy. |
too many broken promises from the snp, don't want independece, no i won't vote snp. |
So, nothing to do with waffling on about nonexistant broken promises then.
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landg
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| Stevie wrote: | | landg wrote: | | Stevie wrote: | | landg wrote: | | i will vote for one of the moderate centre right parties but not the snp, too many broken promises. waffle and kaschtumping. and then the issue of broken promises on a referendum on independence. |
So in effect you just wrote a lot of contradictory convenient nonsense because you would never vote SNP because of the independence thingy. |
too many broken promises from the snp, don't want independece, no i won't vote snp. |
So, nothing to do with waffling on about nonexistant broken promises then. |
no, they have broken promises, that has been well documneted on here already, because you don't beleive it does not mean it has not happened.
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Stevie
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| Stevie wrote: | | landg wrote: | | Stevie wrote: | | landg wrote: | | i will vote for one of the moderate centre right parties but not the snp, too many broken promises. waffle and kaschtumping. and then the issue of broken promises on a referendum on independence. |
So in effect you just wrote a lot of contradictory convenient nonsense because you would never vote SNP because of the independence thingy. |
too many broken promises from the snp, don't want independece, no i won't vote snp. |
So, nothing to do with waffling on about nonexistant broken promises then. |
So, (your voting intentions have) nothing to do with waffling on about nonexistant broken promises then.
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landg
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| Stevie wrote: | | Stevie wrote: | | landg wrote: | | Stevie wrote: | | landg wrote: | | i will vote for one of the moderate centre right parties but not the snp, too many broken promises. waffle and kaschtumping. and then the issue of broken promises on a referendum on independence. |
So in effect you just wrote a lot of contradictory convenient nonsense because you would never vote SNP because of the independence thingy. |
too many broken promises from the snp, don't want independece, no i won't vote snp. |
So, nothing to do with waffling on about nonexistant broken promises then. |
So, (your voting intentions have) nothing to do with waffling on about nonexistant broken promises then. |
yes, due to broken promises (bt snp) and being pro-independence i will genuinely not vote snp.honest.thats it.
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Aventinian
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Re: Come the UK General Election... | Stevie wrote: | | Your Brit Natism would prevent any such idea from crossing your mind. |
I'm still amused that a nationalist's worst insult seems to be to call someone else a nationalist.
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Holebender
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Why do you think it's an insult?
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Aventinian
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| Holebender wrote: | | Why do you think it's an insult? |
For one, because posts like this:
| Stevie wrote: | 'plastic Scot'... ouch, that hurts.
Brit Nat, Brit Nat, Brit Nat. |
are clearly intended to do little more than pass insults. Secondly, because of this Stevie character's over-willingness to apply it (indeed, he regularly emphasises it for no other good reason) to people he opposes, regardless of whether it would actually remotely reflect their views.
Even disregarding that Scottish nationalism in this context is inherently extremist, he is an extremist Scottish nationalist. Why, I really do wonder, does he then feel that nationalism - rather than being meritorious amongst others - is worthy of being an insult?
Oh yes, it's because nationalism is a completely bloody stupid ideology, discredited by anyone with half a mind and the cause of centuries of indeterminable suffering across the globe. I suppose in that context I agree, being a British nationalist should be an insult - as, of course, should everything Stevie seems to support.
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Dave Coull
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| landg wrote: | | yes, due to broken promises (bt snp) and being pro-independence i will genuinely not vote snp. |
Look, it's pointless to give "broken promises" as a reason you won't vote for a party if there was never any possibility of you voting for them in the first place. If I was to say the reason I didn't vote for Maggie Thatcher was because of her broken promises, that would be misleading. She did break promises, but, since there was never any possibility of me voting for her in the first place, that's irrelevant. Nobody thought for one minute you would vote SNP. But that's nothing to do with "broken promises". The SNP has promised to introduce legislation for a referendum on independence. Even if they keep that promise, you still won't vote for them, because you are opposed to the raison d'etre of the party, the very thing that it exists FOR.
I, on the other hand, might consider voting for them, but I really can be put off from doing so by broken promises.
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Ultra
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| Dave Coull wrote: | | landg wrote: | | yes, due to broken promises (bt snp) and being pro-independence i will genuinely not vote snp. |
Look, it's pointless to give "broken promises" as a reason you won't vote for a party if there was never any possibility of you voting for them in the first place. If I was to say the reason I didn't vote for Maggie Thatcher was because of her broken promises, that would be misleading. She did break promises, but, since there was never any possibility of me voting for her in the first place, that's irrelevant. Nobody thought for one minute you would vote SNP. But that's nothing to do with "broken promises". The SNP has promised to introduce legislation for a referendum on independence. Even if they keep that promise, you still won't vote for them, because you are opposed to the raison d'etre of the party, the very thing that it exists FOR.
I, on the other hand, might consider voting for them, but I really can be put off from doing so by broken promises. |
Dave how do you know someone who now won't vote SNP haven't previously voted for them?
Are you a mind reader or have special powers?
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landg
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| Dave Coull wrote: | | landg wrote: | | yes, due to broken promises (bt snp) and being pro-independence i will genuinely not vote snp. |
Look, it's pointless to give "broken promises" as a reason you won't vote for a party if there was never any possibility of you voting for them in the first place. If I was to say the reason I didn't vote for Maggie Thatcher was because of her broken promises, that would be misleading. She did break promises, but, since there was never any possibility of me voting for her in the first place, that's irrelevant. Nobody thought for one minute you would vote SNP. But that's nothing to do with "broken promises". The SNP has promised to introduce legislation for a referendum on independence. Even if they keep that promise, you still won't vote for them, because you are opposed to the raison d'etre of the party, the very thing that it exists FOR.
I, on the other hand, might consider voting for them, but I really can be put off from doing so by broken promises. |
honestly, what are you talking about.
last time.
i will not vote snp because
1. they are pro-independence
2. they have been in power for 2/3 years, they have broken promises they made in their manifesto.
thats it. genuinely, that is it. i won't vote for them.
it's also quite clear that nationalists are just a bit mental as well. this place is not a great advert for nationalism.but it's a laugh.
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Stevie
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Aventinian, you are a Brit Nat, the biggest one on the board.
And you like the others don't want to admit it.
Curious.
And curious that you should think of it as an insult when it's no more than a description of the obvious.
Please though, don't think I'm saying your a Brit Nat along the lines of the BNP, certainly not, but a Brit Nat you are.
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Stevie
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| landg wrote: | | Dave Coull wrote: | | landg wrote: | | yes, due to broken promises (bt snp) and being pro-independence i will genuinely not vote snp. |
Look, it's pointless to give "broken promises" as a reason you won't vote for a party if there was never any possibility of you voting for them in the first place. If I was to say the reason I didn't vote for Maggie Thatcher was because of her broken promises, that would be misleading. She did break promises, but, since there was never any possibility of me voting for her in the first place, that's irrelevant. Nobody thought for one minute you would vote SNP. But that's nothing to do with "broken promises". The SNP has promised to introduce legislation for a referendum on independence. Even if they keep that promise, you still won't vote for them, because you are opposed to the raison d'etre of the party, the very thing that it exists FOR.
I, on the other hand, might consider voting for them, but I really can be put off from doing so by broken promises. |
honestly, what are you talking about.
last time.
i will not vote snp because
1. they are pro-independence
2. they have been in power for 2/3 years, they have broken promises they made in their manifesto.
thats it. genuinely, that is it. i won't vote for them.
it's also quite clear that nationalists are just a bit mental as well. this place is not a great advert for nationalism.but it's a laugh. |
Yes, you got caught being a hypocrite.
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Aventinian
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| Stevie wrote: | | Aventinian, you are a Brit Nat, the biggest one on the board. |
I have not only told you on several occasions why I am not a nationalist - and indeed pointed out that I've spent my political life rallying against identity politics, before spelling out exactly what I do believe and why I choose to believe it. You have no comeback except to repeat the same tired nonsense. I doubt even you believe it now.
| Quote: | | And curious that you should think of it as an insult when it's no more than a description of the obvious. |
It is an insult: nationalism is a vicious, backward ideology that I refuse to make even the smallest concession to. Moreover, you are clearly using it as an insult.
Could it be that you don't hate British nationalists, just people who choose to have a different identity to you? If so, then I'm afraid you're exposing exactly what is wrong with nationalism.
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landg
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| Stevie wrote: | | landg wrote: | | Dave Coull wrote: | | landg wrote: | | yes, due to broken promises (bt snp) and being pro-independence i will genuinely not vote snp. |
Look, it's pointless to give "broken promises" as a reason you won't vote for a party if there was never any possibility of you voting for them in the first place. If I was to say the reason I didn't vote for Maggie Thatcher was because of her broken promises, that would be misleading. She did break promises, but, since there was never any possibility of me voting for her in the first place, that's irrelevant. Nobody thought for one minute you would vote SNP. But that's nothing to do with "broken promises". The SNP has promised to introduce legislation for a referendum on independence. Even if they keep that promise, you still won't vote for them, because you are opposed to the raison d'etre of the party, the very thing that it exists FOR.
I, on the other hand, might consider voting for them, but I really can be put off from doing so by broken promises. |
honestly, what are you talking about.
last time.
i will not vote snp because
1. they are pro-independence
2. they have been in power for 2/3 years, they have broken promises they made in their manifesto.
thats it. genuinely, that is it. i won't vote for them.
it's also quite clear that nationalists are just a bit mental as well. this place is not a great advert for nationalism.but it's a laugh. |
Yes, you got caught being a hypocrite. |
dear lord.you are quite mad.quite mad.
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Stevie
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| Aventinian wrote: |
Could it be that you don't hate British nationalists, just people who choose to have a different identity to you? |
I don't hate anybody, you and the other Brit Nats are just an obstacle to independence for Scotland, nothing more, nothing less.
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Stevie
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| landg wrote: | | Stevie wrote: | | landg wrote: | | i will vote for one of the moderate centre right parties but not the snp, too many broken promises. waffle and kaschtumping. and then the issue of broken promises on a referendum on independence. |
So in effect you just wrote a lot of contradictory convenient nonsense because you would never vote SNP because of the independence thingy. |
too many broken promises from the snp, don't want independece, no i won't vote snp. |
Well, if it's not hypocrisy, what is it?
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landg
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| Stevie wrote: | | landg wrote: | | Stevie wrote: | | landg wrote: | | i will vote for one of the moderate centre right parties but not the snp, too many broken promises. waffle and kaschtumping. and then the issue of broken promises on a referendum on independence. |
So in effect you just wrote a lot of contradictory convenient nonsense because you would never vote SNP because of the independence thingy. |
too many broken promises from the snp, don't want independece, no i won't vote snp. |
Well, if it's not hypocrisy, what is it? |
it is me outlining why i will not vote snp. no hypocrisy, no waffle. a fact.
someone stating why they will or will not do something is just that.
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Stevie
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So in effect, you don't give a monkey's about SNP broken promises.
Just said it to try and sound balanced in your opinions.
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landg
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| Stevie wrote: | So in effect, you don't give a monkey's about SNP broken promises.
Just said it to try and sound balanced in your opinions. |
in effect you are making things up.
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Stevie
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Which brings us to the post that started it all.
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Rinty
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Good, its time we came back to the subject rather than let the bams waste this forum.
At the general Election my priorities with will be trying to lessen the extent of the tory victory, stopping the BNP and opposing the prominent Labour candidates such as Darling and Brown.
Practically, on the ground, I am considering that the most effective way of doing this, for me, is crossing over to the next constituency to the South to campaign for the SNP against the sole tory.
Most other places near me are Labour shoe-ins or a tight thing between Labour and SNP which is less important at a UK election than other matters, from my point of view.
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landg
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'bams' is that okay?
i'm assuming it's another insult.
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Rinty
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yes. its an insult, an expresion of a general feeling I have towards the way threads are going recently, and you would be one of those who I would be thinking about when I use the word 'bams'.
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Dave Coull
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Rinty wrote | Quote: | | its time we came back to the subject rather than let the bams waste this forum. |
NOT getting back to the subject, landg asked Rinty | Quote: | | 'bams' is that okay? i'm assuming it's another insult. |
Sometimes folk join a particular discussion forum whose very existence they find objectionable ("oorjockland"), not really in order to try to convince other people on that forum of their point of view, but just in order to be unpleasant. People being unpleasant back at them is an occupational hazard of trolling. Unfortunately, such folk can still have the effect of disrupting a discussion forum, nevertheless. In an attempt to do as both Stevie and Rinty have suggested, and get back to the topic, yes, I do sometimes vote tactically, if I vote at all. During the twelve years that I lived in London, despite being very "political" in some ways, I never voted once. If I do vote in the the next UK general election, I haven't yet decided which way I'll vote.
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landg
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| Dave Coull wrote: | Rinty wrote | Quote: | | its time we came back to the subject rather than let the bams waste this forum. |
NOT getting back to the subject, landg asked Rinty | Quote: | | 'bams' is that okay? i'm assuming it's another insult. |
Sometimes folk join a particular discussion forum whose very existence they find objectionable ("oorjockland"), not really in order to try to convince other people on that forum of their point of view, but just in order to be unpleasant. People being unpleasant back at them is an occupational hazard of trolling. Unfortunately, such folk can still have the effect of disrupting a discussion forum, nevertheless. In an attempt to do as both Stevie and Rinty have suggested, and get back to the topic, yes, I do sometimes vote tactically, if I vote at all. During the twelve years that I lived in London, despite being very "political" in some ways, I never voted once. If I do vote in the the next UK general election, I haven't yet decided which way I'll vote. |
amabam. 
dave that was amazing, flight of ideas on a web page. you went from talikng about bams and then ended up in london and letting us know your unsure who you would vote for.
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Rinty
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so lang, are you going to continue discussing tactical voting and other issues relating to the general election or are you going to distract the whole thread on your petty personal stuff again?
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Ultra
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| Rinty wrote: | | so lang, are you going to continue discussing tactical voting and other issues relating to the general election or are you going to distract the whole thread on your petty personal stuff again? |
Are you the hypocrite who called people who disagee with you 'bams'?
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Rinty
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There are many people who disagree with me on many issues on this forum. I used the word 'bams' as a general description of wind-up merchants who are here to distract threads on petty personal stuff rather than discuss the issues.
So, no, I'm not that idiot, you must be thinking of someone else.
Someone who disgrees with me is just someone who disagrees with me, a bam is a bam.
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Ultra
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| Rinty wrote: | | Good, its time we came back to the subject rather than let the bams waste this forum. |
These Nationalist types have a really low opinion of posters on this forum.
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Rinty
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perhaps they do but I dont, I have a high opinion of the posters on this forum including the nationalist ones and the ones who are not nationalist.
Personally, I am not a nationalist but I dont feel the need to define aneryones opinions in every thread on those terms. What people say is far more important than the caricatures we attach to their political positions.
That is why I find it annoying when bams like landg and other previous posters drag the site into petty stuff rather than debate the subjects, which is what this forum is best at.
To me a 'bam' is someone who deliberately winds people p and tries to cause bother. That what I think landg and others do and have done on this site time and time again.
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landg
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| Rinty wrote: | | so lang, are you going to continue discussing tactical voting and other issues relating to the general election or are you going to distract the whole thread on your petty personal stuff again? |
i hate to be apest but you called me a bad name.
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Holebender
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You earned it.
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Rinty
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As I said, my priorities for the election will be minimising the tory victory, stopping the BNP and opposing the high profile Labour candidates such as Brown and darling.
I havent finally decided how best to apply myself come election time but think, at the moment, my main focus might be campaigning for the SNP in the one seat that the tories hold in Scotland.
I have notice that my call for the bams to end the distractions has resulted in a distraction about bams 
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magister ludi
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Looking back, my votes have almost always been tactical.
Once or twice when it's been a bit of a dead cert I've even voted for genuine but "no hope" candidates even if it was only in the hope that they might save their deposit.
Whether it's FP the P, or not does come into the equation.
One caveat though........ No "Bams"......and I don't care what party rosette they hide behind.
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