malcolmtucker
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congratulations rangerson winning a glorious double today at hampden.
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linoleum
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yes, well done the famous glasgow rangers. no doubts they deserved a world record breaking 110th trophy.
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Rinty
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There is absolutely no doubt that Rangers deserved both trophies, they finished 4 points above celtic in the league and put together a season-winning run at the end, while their rivals didnt.
Overall Rangers league form was indentical to the season before, their results against the teams outside of the old firm worse than the year before, but they were the best team over the course of 38 games. In the Cup, you have to win all of your games you to take it, if you do then you deserve the trophy, simples.
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Aventinian
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| Rinty wrote: | | There is absolutely no doubt that Rangers deserved both trophies, they finished 4 points above celtic in the league and put together a season-winning run at the end, while their rivals didnt. |
The league, I shall grant you; a fine, nail-biting, end to the season. But their performance in the cup final was very poor indeed, particularly in the first half. I'm glad Falkirk put on a decent show.
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Covenanter
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Well done Rangers! Not sure on the world record on trophies, though. Would that not be held by Linfield?
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Rinty
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No. If you compare their records in the three main national competitions Rangers have 110, Linfield 96.
Rangers have also won more league titles than Linfeild.
Linfield will hold the actual record for trophies won but only if you include many minor cups and trophies from years ago.
But comparing like-for-like Rangers are ahead.
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Covenanter
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You get into semantics at that point because the League Cup only started in an Irish League context in the 80s. Prior to that you could make an argument for either the Gold Cup or the Ulster Cup being number three. It's also not clear to me that three is a valid yardstick for worldwide comparison as many countries only have one national cup competion. On that basis Rangers have 85 and Linfield have 87.
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Rinty
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Aye, you have a point. I dont think its semantics though as, if we are trying to create a title of 'most succesful' there has to be some sort of criteria.
But you're right, the 'league cup' doesnt apply to all countries and is relativelt new in NI so Linfield would edge it if we just count the top two trophies.
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agentmancuso
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Perhaps we should limit contenders for 'most successful team ever' to clubs that have never had sectarian policies?
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malcolmtucker
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[quote="agentmancuso"]Perhaps we should limit contenders for 'most successful team ever' to clubs that have never had sectarian policies?[/quote]
and who might that be in scotland. rangers, celtic, hibs and kilmarnock are all out.
dundee utd or aberdeen.
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Rinty
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I think Only Rngers and Hibs (in their very early days) have had a sectarian recruitment policy. The term 'sectarian policies' is very wide so I'm not sure who would or wouldnt apply to that one.
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malcolmtucker
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celtic did and i know at board level kilmarnock had until fleeting took over. hearts possibly but cannot be sure.
but no club has operated a secterian signing policy for decades.
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Rinty
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Celtic didnt, Kilmarnock didnt either, just because they possibly had most or all of their directors from one social group ior another isnt, in itself, evidence of a sectarian recruitment policy.
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malcolmtucker
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ecterian bordroom policy then with these clubs.
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Rinty
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NO, they happened to have directors that were all either not protestant or not catholic, that doesnt equal a sectarian signing policy. Celtic were mainly in the hands of two or three families, who were Catholic (as far as I know). Killie didnt have catholic directors but that was concidence, not policy.
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malcolmtucker
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it was not coincedence in kilmarnock. i heard it from the horses mouth, many years ago, 'there will never be a catholic director of kilmarnock'.
i like this 'coincedence' take on secterian ism. was it coincidence that all rangers directors were protestants?
was it coincedence that rangers and celtic respectively signed most players from the protestant and catholic faiths for decades?
was it coincedence that celtic were set up for irish cathoilic immigrants.
coincedence. i'm likling that.
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Rinty
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Whose mouth did you hear that from, I've heard people say this but never seen any evidence for it.
The other stuff about signing players I didnt claim to be coincidence. But Celtics board of Directors was controlled by Irish Catholic families. The Grants/Colgans and then the Whytes/Kellys had most of the positions alongside people who they brought in, that they happened to be Catholic isnt that much of a surprise really given the social circumstances in Scotland.
How did this sectarian Kilmarnock board manage to see their way to appointing Jimmy McGrory as their manager?
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linoleum
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heard from a directors mouth.you have to remember that clubs like kilmarnock, in the past were run by local people....... i said nothing about players or managers. i was taling about the directors being only protestant and wanting only protestants on the board. the same applies to rangers board. and the cltic board. ot's all just a massive coincedence.
in the past the majority of rangers players were protestant, the vast majority of celtic players in the past were catholic. all just a massive coincedence.
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Rinty
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"heard from a directors mouth.you have to remember that clubs like kilmarnock, in the past were run by local people....... i said nothing about players or managers. i was taling about the directors being only protestant and wanting only protestants on the board. the same applies to rangers board. and the cltic board. ot's all just a massive coincedence. "
Lino is malcom tucker. It was malcolm who said he heard it from the horses mouth, when I questioned him it was lino who replied.
OOPS! 
Using multiple IDs is surely a reason to prevent this person posting and banning him from the site!
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malcolmtucker
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you're good.
you are good.
there's not much gets past you.
sharp is not the word.
i'm astonished you found me out.
fair enough taggart.
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Rinty
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posting under different IDs is very poor practice.
You are not good, you are too thick to play these games, Personally I thinkyou should be banned from the site.
Have you been to vote BNP yet, or are they not anti-catholic enought for you?
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agentmancuso
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| Rinty wrote: | | posting under different IDs is very poor practice. |
It is. Though sometimes it can be amusing watching the antics of half-wits who don't realise that site moderators know exactly who they are.
| Quote: | | You are not good, you are too thick to play these games, Personally I thinkyou should be banned from the site. |
If it was up to me, he'd have been gone long ago. But azzuri has a much higher moron tolerance threshold than I do.
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malcolmtucker
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i'm loving how some posts get pulled and some don't.
people using abusive language and making very personal and without foundation accusations are allowed to stand yet posts about human behaviour and why people behave in a certain way are pulled.and these posts are not abusive and make no persoanal accusations, not even a sweary word.
the mods here are right tolerant and openminded folks.
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Reluctant Hero
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This thread has descended into total nonsense with the inevitable consequences.
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