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| Reluctant Hero |
England vs ArgentinaEngland are playing Argentina tomorrow. What? It's Scotland? Well why the **** is everyone talking about England? THAT game was 22 years ago! Get over it
Maradona shrugs off Butcher snub INTERNATIONAL FRIENDLY : Scotland v Argentina Venue: Hampden Park Date: Wednesday, 19 November Kick-off: 2000GMT Coverage: BBC Radio Scotland, BBC Sport website. Highlights on Sportscene, BBC One Scotland 2255GMT -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Maradona unconcerned by Butcher grudge New Argentina boss Diego Maradona will not lose any sleep if Terry Butcher refuses to shake his hand at Hampden. Scotland assistant Butcher said he will never forgive Maradona for the infamous "Hand of God" goal which helped knock England out of the 1986 World Cup. "I don't understand why Butcher has this attitude," said Maradona, who then queried England's 1966 World Cup win. "England won a World Cup with a goal that never crossed the line, so it's not fair that people should judge me." He was, of course, referring to Geoff Hurst's extra-time goal in the final against West Germany at Wembley that may not have crossed the goal-line after thundering off the underside of the crossbar. MY SPORT: DEBATE Give your reaction to Maradona's comments Hurst's hat-trick goal to make it 4-2 was also controversial, since several spectators had run on to the pitch before he scored. Maradona has received a warm welcome in Scotland as he prepares for his first game in charge of the national team. However, former England captain Butcher was not in the mood to join in with the adulation for one of the game's greatest players. "If people are fine with me, I'll greet them," added Maradona. "Let Butcher get on with his life and I'll get on with my life. "I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. If Butcher doesn't shake my hand, I'll still be alive tomorrow." Maradona scored his first international goal at Hampden in a 3-1 win in 1979 and the Argentine legend has fond memories of Glasgow. His virtuoso performance won him many fans in Scotland, while his role in eliminating England from the World Cup in Mexico may have added to his list of admirers north of the border. "I am very much aware of how popular I am and it's great to think I've made them very happy," said Maradona when asked about his relationship with Scottish supporters. "If I get the chance to make them happy again, that would be marvellous. "It's something that was very special to me. It was nice to start my international career and get my first goal here. "What I want to do in terms of repaying them is hopefully put on a good spectacle. "I feel great. I feel very good. I'm very happy to be back in Scotland after so long away. "It's a very, very proud moment for me to be heading up the Argentina national side." http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7736200.stm |
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| kevin04 |
Just hope we don't lose by a big margin, sorry to sound pessimistic but can't see us doing much tomorrow. Of course, I hope I am proved wrong but can see it being 3-0 Argentina with all the glitz of the world media and squad players wanting to impress Diego. | ||
| Blackleaf |
Re: England vs Argentina
Because you're a pathetic nation whose people love nothing better than fawning over a drug-taking cheat. And you have the gall to accuse the English of always talking about the 1966 World Cup Final, but at least our team was actually involved that match. |
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| Blackleaf |
There'll probably be two or three goals scored by the hand. Because BOTH teams in that match are good at doing that. I think Scotland once scored against Wales with a hand ball. |
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| Blackleaf |
Re: England vs Argentina
Although the difference between England in the 1966 World Cup Final and Maradona in 1986 is that England didn't cheat, whereas Maradona did. It wasn't England's fault that their third goal was allowed, it was the Russian linesman's. England just benefitted from his mistake. Geoff Hurst didn't deliberately intend to make the ball come off the line, whereas Maradona did deliberately intend to handle the ball into the net. Argentina in 1986 cheated. England in 1966 didn't. England's 1966 opponents West Germany cheated in a grand style before the 1954 World Cup Final against Hungary. The Germans took performance-inhancing injections before the match, as the team's doctor admitted in 2004. West Germany won the match 3-2. After the final, several players, including Helmut Rahn, who scored Germany's 85th-minute winning goal, contracted jaundice. By the end of the season eight of them had fallen ill. Loogen admitted that the players may have caught the disease because the needles used to inject them were not sterilised properly. So if the Germans ever complain about the English cheating in the 1966 World Cup Final, the English have a right to just laugh at them for dispaying such breathtaking hypocrisy. And Maradona was exaggerating during the press conference yesterday when he said the ball in the 1966 World Cup Final didn't go anywhere near the line. If it didn't go anywhere near the line we wouldn't still be debating it today. Although it did go over the line. |
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| Rinty |
22 years later and they still cant get over it, jeez! | ||
| Cymro |
And Blackleaf manages to show how much of pleb he is and shows his true colours
"Because you're a pathetic nation whose people love nothing better than fawning over a drug-taking cheat." Lets talk about a certain Laurence Bruno Dallaglio, World Cup Hero shall we? |
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| azzuri |
I can just imagine him sitting at home, getting all red-faced reading this story with his copy of the 'dailymail.co.uk'
I just had a little chuckle to myself when I realised just how ANGRY this makes him, because of his own warped view of the world. Toddle back to your BNP meetings blackleaf... 
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| Blackleaf |
Oh, so I'm a member of the BNP because I don't like a cheat like Maradona claiming England cheated during the 1966 World Cup Final when they did no such thing? You'd be a bit miffed if a player scored a goal against Scotland using his hand, and then even decided to brag about it afterwards by claiming it was some form of divine intervention. The real football cheats are the Maradonas and the West Germanys of this world, not the England team who were awarded a controversial goal in a World Cup Final through no fault of their own. If the Germans think the English cheated in 1966 - and we all know they didn't as Hurst didn't intentionally make the ball come off the goal-line and it wasn't England's fault the linesman awarded the goal - the English can just say it's revenge against the team that cheated by taking performance-enhancing drugs before the 1954 World Cup Final. At a time when there is so much debate about the poor standard of refereeing in Scottish football, it strikes me as sick that so many Scots are bowing down and licking the boots of a blatant cheat. |
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| Cymro |
Blackleaf is proof if ever one was needed that empty vessels make most noise | ||
| azzuri |
He's possibly the greatest player to have ever played the game, what a player! 
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| schawaldowris |
Surely I am not the ony Scot who is happy to discuss Englands performance in the history of the World Cup. Let us show some compassion to a major European nation who have consistently suffered disappointment. In over 100 years years of international competition their only real succes at international level was 1966.
When we compare the England team record, it is abysmal in relation to the other major European nations:- Italy 4 times winner and once runner up. Germany 3 times winner and 3 times runner up. France one once and runner up once. England, they won the cup once and have never been in a final since. Apart from the above Holland, Hungary and the Czechs have twice been in the final. For a nation of 50 million people who consistently boast they have the finest football league in the world, we should display some sympathy for Englands lack of international achievement. |
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| Corby Boy |
Blackleaf = Bitter, twisted, d@ckhead. Obsessed with Scotland and the Scots. Bit of an inferiority complex going on!
Say no more. |
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| Blackleaf |
That's one more major tournament than Scotland have ever won. |
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| Blackleaf |
Isn't the inferiority complex with Reluctant Hero, the person who started this thread, and those many other Scots who treat a cheat and a druggie like some sort of hero? England aren't the only victims of a hand ball goal by Argentina that knocked them out of the World Cup. Argentina's Ossie Ardiles scored with his hands against Wales during the 1978 World Cup, and Wales were knocked out of the tournament after losing that match. If Ossie Ardiles was manager of Argentina when they played Scotland the other day, would the Scots have treated him as some kind of hero after using his hand to knock Wales out of the World Cup in 1978, or do they only treat someone as a hero if they knock England out of a World Cup with their hand? I suspect it's the latter, which just shows that the Scots have some sort of inferiority complex over the English. |
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| Blackleaf |
Let's see what the English and Scottish media has had to say about this affair:
SCOT OF BOVVER Dave Kidd The People 23rd November 2008 Amusing to see the entire population of Scotland hero-worshipping Diego Maradona because of the Hand of God job he did on England. We'd love to pay tribute to all the players who have embarrassed the Scots over the years - but, unlike Maradona, the boys from Costa Rica, Peru, the Faroe Islands and Macedonia are not exactly names to live long in the memory. people.co.uk **************************** GIVE BUTCH A BREAK Paul Hayward Daily Mail 22nd November 2008 
Drug cheat: Maradona Terry Butcher was pounded for not embracing Diego Maradona at the Scotland-Argentina match, but nobody gave him credit for not wanting to get caught up in a hypocritical reconciliation. It’s an odd society that expects the victim to suck up to the perpetrator. Butcher plainly feels he was robbed by Maradona’s Hand of God goal in one of the great moments in his life. What is this obsession we have with handshakes and pretending we’re no longer outraged? Let’s at least cut ‘Butch’ some slack for refusing to betray his deep urge not to acknowledge a rival who was not only a genius but a ball-puncher and multiple convicted drug cheat. Forgiveness is over-rated. dailymail.co.uk ******************************* OCH AYE! IT'S MARADONA, THE HERO OF THE HIGHLANDS Jan Moir Daily Mail 21st November 2008 It's no surprise to me that there are so few BNP members in Scotland. Everyone up there is far too busily cheerfully hating the English to embark on any proper racial hatred. It's so pathetic. Scottish football fans were quick to lionise Maradona this week, still congratulating him on the "hand of God" goal that beat the English all those years ago. This is the kind of behaviour that Fred Flintstone look-alike Alex Salmond always approves of, but really, it's embarrassing. It makes Scots sound like a bunch of bores shouting from the bottom of a large hole. No one is listening. No one cares. dailymail.co.uk **************************** And these are what callers to a Scottish radio station had t say, and were printed in Scotland's Daily Record: "How sad it is to see a section of our once great nation lauding a habitual drug-taking cheat by presenting him with a trophy to commemorate his handball against England. What sort of message does this send to our children?" William Brisbane, Glasgow --------------------------------- "It is so childish to celebrate somebody who cheated and hail him a hero." Colin McClean, Motherwell dailyrecord.co.uk |
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| Scott2006 |
Blackleaf was there a Rugby World Cup in 1978 where Argentina beat Wales... because it definately wasn't the Association Football World Cup as Wales haven't qualified since 1958?
Why let facts interrupt your story pasting...? It's never bothered you before. |
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| Scott2006 |
Blackleaf are you aware that thesun also has a Scottish edition which is different in tone and substance when aimed at the Scottish market?
The two faced Sun with its twisted reporting is not worth quoting. |
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| agentmancuso |
Ardiles is of course best remembered for having being booed by his own team's supporters because he happened to be Argentinian. |
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