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cornubian

English Democrats in bed with Fascists

The English Democrats Party, supposed civic nationalists, have jumped into bed with the white nationalist and fascist England First Party.

Article here: English nationalism vs British nationalism | open Democracy News Analysis

Happily there seem to be true civic English nationalists ready to speak out against this alliance.
cornubian

Read the transcript of the first interview with the newly elected English Democrat Mayor of Doncaster here: Welcome To The North  A whole lot of nothing

Not a very good start.

Now as I'll probably be accused of being anti English or opposed to English self-determination I'd just like to state that I 'm not opposed to English Nationalism and that's exactly why I do what I do. English Nationalism deserves far better than the EDP and their alliance with the white nationalist England First Party.
Dave Coull

cornubian wrote:
Read the transcript of the first interview with the newly elected English Democrat Mayor of Doncaster here: Welcome To The North  A whole lot of nothing

Not a very good start.
That's quite an understatement. The guy obviously didn't have a clue! That interviewer had clearly done his homework, and totally exposed the new mayor as an ignorant bigot.
cornubian wrote:
Now as I'll probably be accused of being anti English or opposed to English self-determination I'd just like to state that I 'm not opposed to English Nationalism and that's exactly why I do what I do. English Nationalism deserves far better than the EDP and their alliance with the white nationalist England First Party.
While in theory English Nationalism needn't necessarily be the preserve of right wing bigots, in practice, it does seem like all the actually existing English Nationalist organisations are.
Aventinian

Dave Coull wrote:
While in theory English Nationalism needn't necessarily be the preserve of right wing bigots, in practice, it does seem like all the actually existing English Nationalist organisations are.


True. Give them a few years, however, and they'll have raised their game to Scottish levels and be happily admitting the left-wing bigots too.
Holebender

And when it comes to bigotry, there speaks the expert.
cornubian

What we need is an English nationalist party that builds on Englands radical and republican traditions.

Take the best of the CEP, England Devolve, English regionalists like the Wessex movement, Paul Kingsnorth, English Greens etc.

The English Radical Party. An English parliament (Independence) hand in hand with radical decentralisation. Not one or the other but both.
agentmancuso

cornubian wrote:
What we need is an English nationalist party that builds on Englands radical and republican traditions.


Yes. I've argued that point on various English political forums, and tried at length to extract the answer as to just why nationalism in England tends to take such unpleasant forms, but to no avail.
Aventinian

Holebender wrote:
And when it comes to bigotry, there speaks the expert.


Not liking a political movement because of what they believe does not make one a bigot.
Holebender

Blindly hating a political movement because of what you imagine they believe does make you a bigot.
Tartan Tory

The problem is the English Democrats are too right-wing and anti-immigration to be true civic nationalists. You can move no further right than the Tory Reform Group for civic nationalism to be feasible.
agentmancuso

Tartan Tory wrote:
The problem is the English Democrats are too right-wing and anti-immigration to be true civic nationalists. You can move no further right than the Tory Reform Group for civic nationalism to be feasible.


That's true. But why is there such a gap in the market in England?
azzuri

agentmancuso wrote:
Tartan Tory wrote:
The problem is the English Democrats are too right-wing and anti-immigration to be true civic nationalists. You can move no further right than the Tory Reform Group for civic nationalism to be feasible.


That's true. But why is there such a gap in the market in England?


Early extremism of English nationalism?
agentmancuso

[quote="azzuri"]
agentmancuso wrote:
Early extremism of English nationalism?


Not sure I follow - early in what sense?
agentmancuso

azzuri wrote:
Early extremism of English nationalism?


Not sure I follow - early in what sense?
magister ludi

interesting thought Azzuri,

are you suggesting a political theory in which 'nationalism' can be viewed as a dynamic ( or even developmental) political process; that it has an early embryonic state and a latter , say adolescent and a subsequent mature nature?
Lamphun

England already has a nationalist party. They're called the Conservatives.

The type of nationailst party seen in Scoland and Wales only seems to develop when the country is being controlled from outside. However give the EU a bit more wallop and the UKIP might reasonably be described as the voice of english nationalism.

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