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sandmountainslim
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Fanning the Flames of FreedomFor Immediate Release:
Fanning the Flames of Freedom
May 12, 2007—Last weekend the Scottish people did something many said they never would do. For many years the flames of independence have spread, but Scots have been discouraged from continuing such a pursuit. They have been told that independence is impractical, ridiculous and even impossible. However, last weekend, many showed via the ballot box that they have had enough of the so-called United Kingdom.
Despite that Scots have shown they wish to be an independent nation once more, by taking a first step in that direction. The enemies of Scottish freedom are still attempting to hijack last weekend’s election. The European media outlets, political organizations and others are trying to claim that such an election was a fraud. That the Scottish people would never think about independence. Such claims are proverbial slaps in the faces of the Scottish people.
We, the members of the Jefferson Republican Party of the United States of America, congratulate the Scottish people and the Scottish National Party for their recent victory, and this important step towards independence, which they have achieved. After 300 years of London-based dominance, is very significant, and is a sign of greater things to come for the Scottish people.
Jefferson Republican Party of the United States of America
William Potter
Noah Cooke
Ray Perdue
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Aventinian
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Re: Fanning the Flames of Freedom | sandmountainslim wrote: | | May 12, 2007—Last weekend the Scottish people did something many said they never would do |
No they didn't.
| Quote: | | For many years the flames of independence have spread, but Scots have been discouraged from continuing such a pursuit. They have been told that independence is impractical, ridiculous and even impossible. |
Not impossible, but the other two stand.
| Quote: | | However, last weekend, many showed via the ballot box that they have had enough of the so-called United Kingdom. |
No they didn't. Two-thirds at least I believe voted for Unionist parties. The Nat vote was an anti-Labour protest.
| Quote: | | After 300 years of London-based dominance, is very significant, and is a sign of greater things to come for the Scottish people. |
We're not dominated, we're a liberal country (in the British sense of the word).
Thank you and good night.
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SLG
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Re: Fanning the Flames of Freedom | Aventinian wrote: | | The Nat vote was an anti-Labour protest. |
And what research do you have with which to back that up?
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Aventinian
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Re: Fanning the Flames of Freedom | SLG wrote: | | Aventinian wrote: | | The Nat vote was an anti-Labour protest. |
And what research do you have with which to back that up? |
I can compare it with the result in England for example, and make conclusions based on trends, alongside the clear unpopularity of the Labour government.
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SLG
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Yes, so you can say that people are unhappy with Labour. I still don't see how you can judge what motivates people to switch their vote to the SNP. Many of these votes will be positive votes for the SNP combines with an absence of a positive reason to vote Labour.
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wisnaeme
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Aye,right enough.Trends cannot be construed as rock solid, proven pluralisation of fact, merely suppositions of might or might not,influenced by whatever and whoever.Rather liked some statistics really. GERS Report anyone? 
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Hendry
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| SLG wrote: | | Yes, so you can say that people are unhappy with Labour. I still don't see how you can judge what motivates people to switch their vote to the SNP. Many of these votes will be positive votes for the SNP combines with an absence of a positive reason to vote Labour. |
That is not the question.
The question is, 'How does the SNP get as much of the pro-independence electorate to vote for them as it does?'
Polls have clearly shown, that since 1998 at least, when asked the simple straightforward independence question, with no party politics, no Europe, no Monarchy/republic, issues 'tagged on', the predicted result in a referendum is over 50% Yes. But it it has averaged only around 54% of those indicating an opinion as being YES.
Support for the SNP recently has been about 33%.
The Upress have made sure that the SNP has a specific policy on every domestic issue.
Those who support independence cover the entire political spectrum, so every SNP domestic political policy will serve to alienate some of that pro-independence support.
Even so, many of those who disagree with the party's domestic manifesto, clearly still continue to vote SNP, otherwise the SNP would not have nearly as much of their potential support at the polls as they do. This is a measure of just how strongly many feel on the independence issue, that they are willing to put aside normal political aversion to vote for the main pro-independence party. It is also a measure of just how well the SNP target policy to minimise policy alienation.
However, the SNP pretty much, IMO, have all the share they can glean from that potential PI support. There is still 20% plus of the electorate who are pro-independence but do not vote SNP. Main reasons are pro-EU, not socialist enough, bad for business, not republican.
IMO, if there were a credible left PI party and a credible centre-right PI party, and there was a common constitutional manifesto with a commitment to have post independence referenda on the EU and the monarchy within a clearly stated time frame, then the total vote for those PI parties could approach the real level of support for independence per se.
Certainly, with an electoral pact, and the AMS system, the two could easily get a majority of MSPs in the SP.
Of course, as soon as that happened, the Uscum who have been denying Scots democracy by not allowing a referendum, will immediately call for one on the basis that a majority of MSPs is no mandate.
You have to remember, these people have already sold their soul to the devil, are completely morally bankrupt and will do whatever they can to save Scotland from itself. Disenfranchising the Scottish people is perfectly OK to them, genuine democracy doesn't even register on their radar.
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George
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What the independence movement needs now is a 'Scottish Democrat' party.
This party could hoover up those votes that usually end up with the Lib Dems, now is the perfect opportunity to set the party up and with a couple of million it could be done.
You would of course need to attract a couple of 'names' over from the current Lib Dems. With the party having stalled and appearing leaderless and powerless then the time is ripe. It could even be dressed up as a moral defection given the Lib Dems incredible stance on both talks and a democratic referendum.
What an opportunity!!
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Aventinian
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| wisnaeme wrote: | | .Aye,right enough.Trends cannot be construed as rock solid, proven pluralisation of fact, merely suppositions of might or might not,influenced by whatever and whoever. |
Indeed, and I never advertised my opinion as anything different.
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mairead
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For the benefit of those who ignored an earlier post. THE NATIONALISTS TOOK 164,454 MORE VOTES IN THE ELECTION THAN THE NEAREST PARTY WHICH WAS LABOUR.
Sandmountainslim. Thanks again. You are indeed a true friend of Scotland.
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FALSYDE
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It was a very sad day for many reasons, including the shutting out of all the small / newer parties. The Unionist press has much to be ashamed of, their behaviour in respect of allowing all views to be aired was disreputable and never the less not unsurprising.
The SEP will be fighting the next election as no doubt will the others. I think it would be hard to argue that parliament is now not the poorer for not having e.g. the Scottish Senior Citizens Party and even the Tommy Sheridans of this world. Our parliament should be the forum for the views of every one regardless. I personally might think the SSP & Solidarity policies are unmitigated tripe but they are as entitled to their views and to express them as the big four are.
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