azzuri
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History Forum...History Forum...
Hope you like the new History forum, created primarily to discuss Scottish-related topics.
Given that history and politics are often intertwined we thought that it would be a good section to have and hope it adds a lot of interesting discussions to 'Our Scotland'.
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IF Convenor
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Scottish history and Scottish politics... my favourite subjects!
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azzuri
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History isn't my strong point unfortunately IF so feel free to start a couple of threads - I might just learn something useful today! 
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carol
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I'm still trying to learn and I organise Scottish History lectures 
Regards
Carol
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Blackadder
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History is writ large in the Blackadder family. We are required to learn it from birth. Even our unpaid skivvy, Baldrick has an interest ... though mostly in turnips.
My uncle got his PHD on Scots History and Celtic culture, and has written several Scots plays and had them performed them in the Fringe and abroad.
Frankly I wouldn't pass water over Scotland!
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mairead
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history forumBlackadder,
Would that be the versions of Scottish and Celtic history written by English Historians?
As for not passing water over Scotland?. You should hold on to all your water my dear, because come independence we will only be supplying England with water at a price, not free as we do at present. Same applies to electricity, oil etc.
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Blackadder
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Naw, hen ... the Blackadder is actually a Scottish title these days. We'se ur aw as heather bred as yersel', ken? 
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mairead
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history forumReally Blackadder?
I was beginning to think you were from a different planet, Uranus perhaps.
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Blackadder
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Only if I can bottle the methane there for sale here on earth!
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mairead
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history forumTouche Blackadder
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Blackadder
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Sod that! No peasant is allowed to physically touch the Adder Black!
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mairead
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history forumLike I want to?  PS. Peasant Sir? That comment be worthy of a duel, handbags at dawn perhaps.
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Blackadder
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Oh very well ... your choice of colour?? I look quite fetching in lilac or mauve!
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mairead
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historyHmm. Trying to picture that, Pink might suit you better I think.
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mairead
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historyToday, September 11th is the anniversary of the battle of Stirling Bridge (1297) when the combined forces of Sir Andrew de Moray and William Wallace slaughtered the English army under Surrey.
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Morph
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Its a shame that 11th of Sept will only be remembered for the autrocities in New York
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mairead
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Hisatory forumAssuredly Morph, The victory at Stirling Bridge is remember by many, even today.
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mairead
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On this day in1263, the Battle of Largs was fought between the Vikings and a ferocious Scots army. The vikings under King Haakon were beaten. Hakkon retired with the remains of his fleet to Orkney where he died soon after.
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Scott2006
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11th september in 1997 was the date of the two refererendums on the setting up of the Scottish Parliament.
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Holebender
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It was also the 700th anniversary of the Battle of Stirling Bridge.
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Stevie
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| azzuri wrote: | | History isn't my strong point unfortunately IF so feel free to start a couple of threads - I might just learn something useful today! |
I realise this is a relatively ancient post BUT history hasn't changed much since you posted it here.
May I suggest you read (if you haven't already that is) The Bruce Trilogy by Nigel Tranter.
90% of the history is solid and the other 10% is fair guesswork by this accomplished historian / writer (who is sadly no longer with us).
I believe you will understand historically why you are and why there is still such a place as Scotland at all. Moreover, if Bruce could be called the father of Scotland then it gives to my mind a clearer picture of the Scots today (for better rather than worse).
This could be truly said for all here on the forum who haven't quite the 'grasp' of Scotland they might like.
Oh yes, it's a pretty good read too.
There is the audio casstte version (Why not CD? I don't know)
  
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Dave Coull
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| azzuri wrote: | | History isn't my strong point unfortunately |
| Bravehand wrote: | | I realise this is a relatively ancient post BUT history hasn't changed much since you posted it here. |
No, history hasn't changed much in a month or two. However, on a time-scale of decades, even quite ancient history can and does change. A history of the "middle ages" written in the early Twentieth Century can seem very out of date now. One reason for this is that the political/cultural perspective from which it was written has changed. Nowadays, we are less likely to be exclusively interested in what the kings and other big shots were doing. Nowadays, we are more likely to wonder what ordinary men were doing, we are more likely to wonder what women were doing, and we are also more aware of environmental factors, etc etc. But the other reason for history changing isn't just the prevailing political culture, it is scientific. The technology available for historical research has changed. It has got better, and it is continuing to get better. Since the tools for research are getting better, it should (at least in theory, unless there are political pressures against this) be possible to write better histories.
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Stevie
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Yes, but ye cannae beat a man breakin' Deboone's (spelling's wrong) neck with the axe-handle o' a lochaber while chargin' at him on a pony.
Actually, I wish I'd taken history as my speciality rather than science (or both actually would have been good) because I do get such a kick out of history especially the history of ordinary folks.
My next historical research will be on Napolean but I'm busy doing lesson plans at the moment.
The life of Robert Burns however can give one an interesting insight into the life of ordinary people, if anyone's reading I recommend a study of Burns' life and works.
Ye cannae whack 'em.
Oh incidentally, azzuri posted in 2006.
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mairead
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Stevie,
I think it was an ordinary war axe as opposed to a Lochaber axe that split de Bohun skull. I could be wrong but that's how most books describe it.
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Holebender
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Also how it is depicted in the illustration on the cover of Tranter's book above. And the statue at bannockburn.
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Stevie
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Probably but I find the word Lochaber quite gutsy (especially since Lochaber posted that rather agreeable post Magrahi poll). However, the name of the street in stirling commemorates the axe I think. I'm off to do some research...
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Stevie
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I can only find battle axe, I'm sure Dave C can shed some light.
De bohun is actually remembered... Good King Robert did him a historical favour so to speak.
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Holebender
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... and gave him a splitting headache.
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Dave Coull
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| Stevie wrote: | | I wish I'd taken history as my speciality rather than science (or both actually would have been good) |
Well I left school at 15 and most of my working life was as a bricklayer, but I was always very interested in both history and science, reading books about these as a hobby. When I finally went to university nearly forty years after leaving school, I studied both environmental science and history. After a couple of years of that I was forced to make a choice about my honours subject, and chose history, but really, I was enjoying both, and would happily have continued with both. | Stevie wrote: | | The life of Robert Burns however can give one an interesting insight into the life of ordinary people, if anyone's reading I recommend a study of Burns' life and works. |
I've got a couple of books about Burns. For my birthday this year, my stepson gave me "God, the Poet, and the Devil: Robert Burns and Religion", by Donald Smith. Interesting reading.
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Dave Coull
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| Stevie wrote: | | I can only find battle axe, I'm sure Dave C can shed some light. |
Sorry, the only battleaxe I know much about was called Maggie, and we defeated her over the poll tax. History is such a huge subject that there are gaps in the knowledge of even the most knowledgeable of historians, and this is one of the many gaps in mine.
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Stevie
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| Dave Coull wrote: | | "God, the Poet, and the Devil: Robert Burns and Religion", by Donald Smith. Interesting reading. |
I've read a number of Burns' bios but I'll have a gander.
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