bluearmyboy
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How's the smoking ban going up there?From a personal persepective I am all for a ban and can't wait till we get our ban south of the border.
After about a week; how is it really going?
went to Ireland recently and it seemed to be being accepted there. Was interested in how it's going with you lot.
Cheers
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Aventinian
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Been snowed under with work this past week, so I can't say I've been out to the pub or such yet.
Anyway it's never going to be a monumental change, but then again chiselling gently away at liberty never is...
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azzuri
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going for a couple of pints in my local tonight so will let you know.
I'm in Scotland just now, even though NI will have the ban as of next year also.
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bluearmyboy
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Aventian
Sounds like you're not a fan.
One mans liberty in this case is another mans stinking clothes and lung cancer!!.
Not trying to reopen the debate on the smoking ban.
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Abieuan
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Outdoor ash trays seem to be springing up - fixed to pub walls, and fancy ones sitting outside cafes.
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SLG
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I've been away as well. Went to the pub as soon as I got back though  . No problems at all where I was (inner city Edinburgh). A few folk popping out now and again for a fag, but no hoards outside, and noone trying to light up inside.
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azzuri
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| Abieuan wrote: | | Outdoor ash trays seem to be springing up - fixed to pub walls, and fancy ones sitting outside cafes. |
Noticed that as well.
Last night was good - woke up smelling normal instead of like an ashtray, and the 'haze' that seems to float about the pub had gone.
All in all a positive change - and the pubs seemed busy enough.
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redlak
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The ban is being observed in Aberdeen I visited some of the previously smokiest Bars and came home smoke free.
If this ban does nothing other than save non smokers from developing cancer then it is a good thing.
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Abieuan
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| Quote: | | f this ban does nothing other than save non smokers from developing cancer then it is a good thing. |
What a load of rubbish;
Some people are susceptible to developing cancer, others smoke into their 90's and have no ill effects.
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Bigchap
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Its an absolute joy being out at the pub and not coming back home reekin like an old overused ashtray and having a throat and gob like Ghandi's flip flop.
It the best piece of legislation that this pseudo parliamant have came up with!
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Nina
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| Abieuan wrote: | | Quote: | | f this ban does nothing other than save non smokers from developing cancer then it is a good thing. |
What a load of rubbish;
Some people are susceptible to developing cancer, others smoke into their 90's and have no ill effects. |
Abieuan that's what I said too when I was still smoking... 
But the proven facts are that people tend to develop cancer more frequently when they are regularly in smoking areas, inhaling the exhaust of others. The same ofcourse counts for smokers. They have a don't know how many % exactly (40%?) bigger chance of developing lung cancer than non-smokers. It is a sad thing though that all smokers have a grandfather, or an uncle of whatever who stayed extremely healthy right up to a very old age and smoking like a steam engine. That's the trick of the addiction, but these people are exceptions 
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parkhead_rfb
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| Abieuan wrote: | | Quote: | | f this ban does nothing other than save non smokers from developing cancer then it is a good thing. |
What a load of rubbish;
Some people are susceptible to developing cancer, others smoke into their 90's and have no ill effects. |
are you denying the proven link between both smoking and passive smoking to cancer?
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Abieuan
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Not really, parkhead, i think Nina has got it about right there.
Each individual is different, some are more susceptible than others.
If they can licence premises to sell alcohol, surely they could licence some to allow smoking of tobacco, that way everybody could be happy.
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Nina
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| Abieuan wrote: | | If they can licence premises to sell alcohol, surely they could licence some to allow smoking of tobacco, that way everybody could be happy. |
Well you got that right.
Alcohol might be just as bad in many situations.
I must add here that I kind of dislike the hippocracy of the governments in the smoking ban. The taxes they earn on every pack of fags (AND bottle of alcohol) is gigantic
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SLG
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| Abieuan wrote: | Not really, parkhead, i think Nina has got it about right there.
Each individual is different, some are more susceptible than others. |
That's right. But we have no acurate way of telling who is going to be susceptible so I don't see how that changes matters.
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parkhead_rfb
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| Abieuan wrote: | Not really, parkhead, i think Nina has got it about right there.
Each individual is different, some are more susceptible than others.
If they can licence premises to sell alcohol, surely they could licence some to allow smoking of tobacco, that way everybody could be happy. |
people would still have to work in smoky atmospheres though and many people wouldnt have the option of leaving their job iof they didnt like the fact they allowed smoking.
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SAOR ALBA
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I was staying in Ireland and it helped me quit so i reckon Scotland might end up a bit healthier if people decide stopping is better than standing in the freezing cold or rain.
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fof
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Well I went to the bingo to-night and there were about 40 people huddled together out side the hall in the pouring rain. I came home smelling much nicer than usual.
I used to smoke and I think smokers should have the right to have a place to smoke when they go out, instead of standing getting soaked, surely the pubs, clubs and other public places should have been helped to install good ventilation systems, you get some that can funnel the smoke right up and out a vent, or are we saying smokers have no human rights. If prisoners can sue the govenment about slopping out etc. then people who smoke should have some rights.
Some familys are long lived no matter what they eat, drink or smoke. My father's family either died in childhood or lived to be in their late 80's or early 90's all were smokers and liked a wee dram. My father was the only exception to this and the war had to do with him dyeing in his 70's.
So I say there is room for us all in this world live and let live, sort of speak
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Abieuan
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Yeah, right on, fof.
parkhead wrote:
| Quote: | | people would still have to work in smoky atmospheres though and many people wouldnt have the option of leaving their job iof they didnt like the fact they allowed smoking. |
Smokers are in the minority, we only want a minority of places we can go.
I don't go to any trendy places, just wee bars where the majority of punters and staff are smokers.
If just two out of ten licenced premises had a "tobacco licence" that would be fairer to smoking staff and punters alike, and to the general public.
Surely there must be some place for us to go ?
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azzuri
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.........aye, ootside.
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Abieuan
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rs_azzuri wrote:
| Quote: | | .........aye, ootside. |
Are you pu'in me up ? 
Maybe private smokers clubs is the way to go....but no, lots of non smokers would want to get in if there was a good scene happening, that's why there were very few voluntary no-smoking pubs.
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mairead
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Smoking ban!!!! Be an alcohol ban next. Then a sweetie ban to save the kids from becoming obese. Just read in the weekend papers that they are going to offer operations for kids over 12, to staple their tummies. What next.
If you think Big Brother ain't here, think again my friends.
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SLG
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I agree with the opposition to the 'nanny state'. But I think this is different. There hasn't been a smoking ban. Folk can still smoke if they want. Just not in a place of work, where that worker has no option not to be there.
Flouride in the water and the chat today about adding folic acid to bread strikes me as the kind of thing we should be avoiding. Different from the banning smoking in public places though IMO.
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fof
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After reading about the young nurse that was murdered when she had to go off the hospital grounds for a smoke, I think that we need to have safe places for smokers to go. Up here we have two places outside the hospital for people to go and smoke, they are like open bus shelters, and are placed well away from the entrances but still visible from there. I think for once our hospital has got it right.
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Aventinian
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I've noticed that one of the pubs nearby me has erected quite a little structure - basically a small marquee with screens on most sides of it, heated and with tables etc. I really wonder whether there's less smoke lingering there than there would be in a well ventilated smokers' bar. I'm not in my usual location right now, so unfortunately I can't upload a photo.
I've noticed a few pubs etc now smell like old folk's homes. At least in the good old days you had the smoke smell covering that up.
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azzuri
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I too have noticed the odour of people close to me in the pub over the past couple of weeks.
Maybe this will encourage some to take better care of their personal hygiene
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Neil
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There is no proven link between passive smoking & lung cancer. Some surveys have shown zero effect, some 25% but all have been small scale & thus even the 25% is within the statistical error limits of such small surveys.
The paassive smoking link has been invented to provide a moral justification for what is obviously a limitation of individual freedom.
Had the intent been merely to remove smoke all that would be required would be to insist on modern ventilation systems that can remove 90% of smoke but that doesn't suit nanny.
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Aventinian
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| Neil wrote: | | The passive smoking link has been invented to provide a moral justification for what is obviously a limitation of individual freedom. |
Well said.
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