October1974
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ICM poll 28 FebruaryA new poll will be published tomorrow in the Scotsman. SNP leading in the consituency and in the list vote. I saw it on the Ian Dale blog. SNP ahead by 5 and 4%
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IF Convenor
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Anything on the independence referendum, or has the Scotsman dropped that?
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Economist
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46% (52%) for independence 44% (48%) against, with 10% undecided. Apparently that is a big drop in support for independence according to the North British Person, but still the most favoured constitutional option according to polls.
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Rinty
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gThe problem is that this poll still gives the Lib/Lab pact enough seats to form an executive (64 seats) unless the SNP persuaded the Libs to join them. Even if the SNP went with a minority govt. The combined Lib/Lab vote could/would defeat them at every turn.
Still, I think these polls are asked over a period of time some weeks ago so things may have improved since then.
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Economist
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They'd need 65 seats to have a full majority, but 64 seats is probably enough to form an Executive, even though it is a minority (just). But still doable, though, they could rely on the support of one or two of the independents to get their programme through without too much problems.
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Rinty
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nNo, 64 is a majority as only 126 MSPs count (three are presiding officer and deputy presiding officers).
Actually, if it turns out like this we could see the presiding officers jobs go to independents or small parties. By rights it would be Labours turn as we have had a Lib and an SNP PO since parliament started in 1999. Either that or the SNP, Labour and LIbs would have one each.
Interesting times.
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Economist
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But, the Deputy Presiding Officers do count, because they do vote - and the neutral Presiding Officer also does in the event of tied votes.
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Rinty
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fBut they dont count as part of party groups or towards a majority coalition. They, in theory, are neutral. Any coalition with 64 seats will be asked to form a govt if the largest party cant.
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Economist
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| Rinty wrote: | | But they dont count as part of party groups or towards a majority coalition. They, in theory, are neutral. Any coalition with 64 seats will be asked to form a govt if the largest party cant. |
Trish Godman, deputy Presiding Officer is part of the current coalition and votes with the coalition. Murray Tosh is a member of the Conservatives and votes with them. The Deputy Presiding Officers also can speak in debate, so aren't neutral, unlike the Presiding Officer.
Therefore it wouldn't really matter whether the DPO's were part of the governing coalition or not, as they can still fully vote, are not neutral and count towards the relevant party groups.
I agree that any 64 seat coalition would probably be asked form the Government - but it won't be a majority one, in respect of the other 64+1 seats.
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Economist
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And in terms of any coalition or alliance, I think the Tories will support the Lib/Labs coalition on any crucial votes in the Parliament in a case of "Better the Unionist devil you know, than the Nationalist devil you don't." My money is still on that as the most likely outcome of the election. I would very, very much hope to be wrong on that, though.
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SouthernJock
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| Economist wrote: | | 46% (52%) for independence 44% (48%) against, with 10% undecided. Apparently that is a big drop in support for independence according to the North British Person, but still the most favoured constitutional option according to polls. |
Ive looked at the ICM poll on the ICM website and cant find any question regarding Independence http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/revi...n%20-%20Jan/scotsman-jan-2007.asp
The question only appears on the October 2006 poll
or is it hidden somewhere else?
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Economist
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I'm only going by what was published in the North British Person this morning:
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=311452007
The poll you've linked is the January one, and it wasn't asked then (which is strange) but apparently for the February one they did. It really does make you wonder what they're up to.
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SouthernJock
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| Economist wrote: | I'm only going by what was published in the North British Person this morning:
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=311452007
The poll you've linked is the January one, and it wasn't asked then (which is strange) but apparently for the February one they did. It really does make you wonder what they're up to.  |
I could only find the ICM January 2007 poll, but looking at the ICM website, cannot find any mention of a February poll for the Scotsman
Maybe ICM havent updated there website
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IF Convenor
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I think they wait a few days to allow the people who commissioned the poll (The Hootsmon) to make some mileage out of it first. They'll put it online soon.
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notbritish
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| IF Convenor wrote: | | Anything on the independence referendum, or has the Scotsman dropped that? |
No, it would seem today its your SNP colleagues Neil who have dropped the Independence Referendum and are about to sell Scotland right down the river.
http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=384692007
What a betrayal. What a monumnetal blunder. A classic lesson on how to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. I'm livid and feel totally betrayed by Alex Salmond's crass cowardice just weeks away from our Independence Election.
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Rinty
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Both Solidarity and the SSP have a clear commitment to the referendum as soon as possible, the more of their MSPs in the mix if we need coalition govt the better now, or the referendum could slip off the agenda until 2011.
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azzuri
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| notbritish wrote: | | IF Convenor wrote: | | Anything on the independence referendum, or has the Scotsman dropped that? |
No, it would seem today its your SNP colleagues Neil who have dropped the Independence Referendum and are about to sell Scotland right down the river.
http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=384692007
What a betrayal. What a monumnetal blunder. A classic lesson on how to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. I'm livid and feel totally betrayed by Alex Salmond's crass cowardice just weeks away from our Independence Election. |
Maybe it's just what Farmer is saying, as is stated in another post in the main forum. We should wait and see what the SNP and Salmond himself says about this before judging...
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October1974
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Not British has fallen for the anti-SNP propaganda coming from SOS. Expect more concocted headlines between now and polling day. The SNP Spring Conference will nail this lie on the head next weekend.
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