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| azzuri |
Independence First March - 30th September 2006...Independence First March - 30th September 2006...see - http://www.independence1st.com/ 
SCOTTISH PRO-DEMOCRACY MARCH ANNOUNCED Welcome to Independence First, the Scottish independence Referendum Campaign. Our main news at the moment is that we are organising our first march on 30th September, 2006 in Edinburgh. Applications have been lodged with the Local Authority and the Constabulary and preparations are well under way. See here for more details. Independence First demands a Scottish referendum on Independence for the people of Scotland as our democratic right. According to opinion polls independence is the most popular constitutional option for most Scots living in Scotland. You can see messages from our supporters here. Independence means that Scotland would have the normal powers that almost every other country enjoys. Rather than political policy being decided by the UK Parliament at Westminster, it would be decided here in Scotland by our own Government. Scotland would be an individual member of the United Nations and we would decide our own foreign policy. We believe that after nearly 300 years of the British union, Scotland's right to direct consultation on its constitutional future, is long overdue. Independence First has no political views whatsoever and our campaign is intended to be wide enough to include every person living in Scotland. (Sympathisers who live outside Scotland can join the campaign as associate members). Independence First believes that any decisions on staying in or leaving the EU, or whether Scotland should be a monarchy or a republic or any other non-independence issue which might fall within the remit of a referendum, should be subjected to sovereignty of the Scottish people through future post-independence referenda and not included within any independence referendum question. While the organisation of public demonstrations is a key objective of Independence First, there are several other important initiatives underway and planned. We are planning to launch a 'Pledge 1 Million Votes for Independence Campaign', see here for details. We have set up an international media group and are looking to publicise our case in the international press over the next few months. We have also presented a formal demand for an independence referendum. If you would like to help with any of these objectives please contact our national secretary at: secretary@independence1st.com. More information about our campaign is available in our charter and constitution. Please email media@independence1st.com if you would like to send a personal message of support to the campaign. To register your support for the campaign simply send an email to membership@independence1st.com To officially join the campaign please send a letter with your contact details and cheque made payable to 'Independence First' for £10 to our membership secretary: Keri Coull, Balnabreich Cottages, Balnabreich, near Brechin, DD9 6RN. Our campaigning page offers a few ideas as to how you can help the campaign right now. Find Independence 1st contacts in your area here. Hope you guys don't mind me taking this from the site. 
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| Celtiberian |
From Spain, i support you.
Good luck. |
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| carol |
Thanks for your support CB it's appreciated. Now if you fancy a wee holiday at the end of September remember to join us 
Regards Carol |
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| Celtiberian |
Thanks a lot, Carol.
Well, first of all, excuse me for my poor English, please. I am trying harder, and i will improve it as soon as possible. I have read a few books about the history of Scotland and i think it is very interesting, sure. I will go to Edinburgh this October ( time for "Winter" holidays for me ). I want to visit the Highlands too. Well, i have a question, please: All the Scottish people (or most of them) want the independence? Regards. |
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| YOUNG-SNP-SCOT |
You asked carol .. but I'll give my little bit 
Recent polls in Scotland suggest that the support for Independence is growing. I think it stands at around 56% in favour - and growing. |
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| carol |
a YouGov report in the spring inidicated 46% support for Scotland becoming independent of the UK, 82 % agreed the best way to settle independence for Scotland was by a referendum
http://www.yougov.co.uk/archives/pdf/TOQ060101001_1.pdf regards Carol |
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| SLG |
Aye, but that 46% includes the don't knows. If you only look at those who expressed an opinion, just over 54% said they favour Independence and just less than 46% were against. So a majority in favour. | ||||||
| carol |
Independence First General Meeting Sunday 6th August, The Wash Edinburgh http://www.edinburghpubguide.co.uk/PubDetails/Wash__The_16.html
Registration 12.30 meeting starts 1pm New members welcome. For more info email secretary@independence1st.com Regards Carol |
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| azzuri |
Why not wear one of the range of our fabulous 'Our Scotland' T-Shirts on this march if you really want to look the part.
See Here for details.
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| carol |
We do have our own t-shirts
Have to admit yours are impressive looking. Hey what about an our-scotland banner at marches
Carol |
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| Barny Rubble |
<<<Independence means that Scotland would have the normal powers that almost every other country enjoys. Rather than political policy being decided by the UK Parliament at Westminster, it would be decided here in Scotland by our own Government. Scotland would be an individual member of the United Nations and we would decide our own foreign policy. >>>
Except for the UK's benefit system. |
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| IF Convenor |
Once freed of the dead weight of the rest of the UK, I imagine Scotland will be able to create an efficient and comprehensive benefits system of its own. The biggest problem will be preventing spongers from across the border coming in and looking for a better life. | ||||||
| Barny Rubble |
<<<Once freed of the dead weight of the rest of the UK, I imagine Scotland will be able to create an efficient and comprehensive benefits system of its own. The biggest problem will be preventing spongers from across the border coming in and looking for a better life.>>>
If it does then maybe all the Scots who crossed the border will return to Scotland. With a population just over the 5 million with 74,000 claiming benefits in Glasgow alone do you really think an independent Scotland could create a better benefit system? Even the SNP's are saying that 17% of incapacity benefit claimants in Scotland could work. Do you think that Scotland could create a better benefit system than that? No-way come the day the Scots will say no to independence! |
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| IF Convenor |
Lucky for you, and us, you have no say in the matter. | ||||||
| SLG |
Surely the present benefits system is failing when it encourages so many to live off benefits and so many who are able to work continue to claim incapacity benefits. The present system is a failure. That's why come the day, people will vote for Independence. And after that day we will do things better. | ||||||
| Barny Rubble |
Of course “incapacity benefit” is failing simply because it gives the idle a better living. When the day comes the only way you can get the idle off benefits is cut the benefits. |
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| Barny Rubble |
Maybe if I had a say Scotland would gain independence because the English want rid of Scotland, Scotland's become to much of a burden on the English taxpayer. |
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| azzuri |
apart from the oil and gas obviously - which is best left unmentioned if you're the chancellor of the exchequer.  
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| IF Convenor |
Aye, such a terrible burden.
There's the oil and gas. Can anybody tell me which manufactured product is the UK's biggest export revenue earner? I'll give you a clue, it's made in Scotland. Just another part of the terrible burden the long-suffering English have had to bear... looking after all our money for us must be so draining. They deserve a rest. |
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| SLG |
You do have a say. Are you camaigning for English independence? Write to your local MP. Join the English Democrats party. Join the campaign for an English Parliament. There's lots you can do. |
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| Barny Rubble |
 We get more gas "n" oil from Norway than we do Scotland, Scotland is they do gain independence will be treated like any other “third world" country.
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| IF Convenor |
Just another unsubstantiated lie.
Show us any evidence of that last statement. (And I'll warn you that oil&gas has been my livlihood for the past three decades so don't even think of trying to kid me on with some made up crap.) |
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| IF Convenor |
How's the weather on your planet, cartoon man? | ||||||
| Barny Rubble |
<<<How's the weather on your planet, cartoon man?>>>
 whom are you referring to?
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| Barny Rubble |
Oil production for the UK (North Sea) peaked in 1999.The UK will become net importers of oil during 2006, permanently, just before the peak in global oil production, and will effectively run out by about 2020. This will clearly have a major effect on the UK's balance of payments, not to mention loss of income from North Sea oil, and a drop in oil-related jobs, which has already begun. You Sir, live in a dream world! |
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| azzuri |
You said that the UK get's more oil and gas from Norway than it does from Scotland. That is a plain lie! Why are you spouting this crap? Continually posting rubbish just to get a reaction is classified as 'troll' behaviour. You also give no sources for any 'facts' that you post - how is anyone expected to take anything you post seriously? |
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| IF Convenor |
There'll be oil coming out of the North Sea when you and I are both dead. I do not dispute that Norway produces more oil than the UK but what gives you the sheer arrogance to think that Norway sells it all to the UK? You're a nightmare. |
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| Barny Rubble |
Just one point...when did i say that "Norway sells it all to to the UK"? and you Sir - know nothing!! |
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| IF Convenor |
Short term memory going is it? |
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| Barny Rubble |
What gives you the sheer arrogance to think that Norway sells it all to the UK? You're a nightmare. “Norway sells it all to the UK” Sir -Where did I say the latter? |
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| One O'Clock Gun |
ladies, ladies | ||||||
| Barny Rubble |
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| IF Convenor |
Then maybe you'd better define "we" and "get", rockheid. | ||||||
| Barny Rubble |
We meaning (the UK) get, meaning (purchase), may I add, Norway is running out of the said fuel too.
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| IF Convenor |
So now you are saying the UK receives more oil&gas from Norway than it does from Scotland!
I repeat that that is an unsubstantiated lie and I demand that you show some evidence to back up your claim. You really haven't the first clue what you're talking about. |
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| Niall |
A Charaid. Why do you keep repeating long discredited Brit Government propaganda? This is what they keep on repeating: North sea oil is running out fast and soon there will be nothing left...... According to Professor Alex Kemp, of Petroleum Economics at the University of Aberdeen. North Sea Oil and Gas production will still be present in 2050. There is as much known oil left yet to be extracted than has already been exploited. If you don't believe me just log on to his website at Aberdeen University. 'S mise Niall. |
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| IF Convenor |
Don't tell him that, Niall, or he'll change his mind about supporting Scotland's independence.
Let the rubbleheids go on believing they've stolen all the oil and there's none left and they'll loosen their grip. Then we'll escape and flaunt the other half of the hydrocarbons in their faces! |
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| Barny Rubble |
Why do you guys try to defend the undefendable? You know i'm right! |
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| Niall |
Barney a charaid. Now you keep on burying your head in the sand, thats a good boy. The fact that you are exposing your thinking parts to the scrutiny of the world obviously does not bother you so carry on mooning. If you can manage to keep your head buried for a couple more years, you will find a greatly changed world our there...... An Independent Scotland is now a distinct reality. 
'S Mise Niall |
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| IF Convenor |
I'm surprised your mammy lets you spend so much time on the computer, Barny. I suppose it keeps you quiet during the school holidays. Which year are you going into next term? Are you moving up to the big school yet? | ||||||
| Barny Rubble |
Convenor and Nial – Sounds somewhat like the Chuckle Brothers, you both haven’t a clue. Your gibes and innuendos tell me so; if all Scots have the intelligence you two have Independence for Scotland will be in the time limit of never! No wonder you get guys from Cornwall and Ireland visiting this board they too suffer from lack of intelligentsia! 
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| IF Convenor |
Gee, how long did it take you to think that one up and write it down?
You'd better have a lie down now; you don't want to strain your braincell. |
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| Barny Rubble |
Sir, Your right it was a mellifluous post....yes, and the said is something you Scots can't understand. 
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| IF Convenor |
At least we understand how to construct a sentence. Would you mind translating the above into English? What is my right? And what does "and the said is something..." mean? | ||||||
| Barny Rubble |
Are you sure about the said? Can you rally understand how to construct “a sentence? I’m sorry I was just been glib like you. Please note "the above" in your sentence isn't there something missing?
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| IF Convenor |
Sorry, forgot I ought to spell everything out for you. The sentence above. That's in the post above mine. | ||||||
| Barny Rubble |
Erm, i guess I'll have to spell it out for you, you posted the said sentence, "Would you mind translating the above into English?. I should read, "Would you mind translating the above? Into English?
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| IF Convenor |
"Into English?" is not a sentence. Where's the verb? Where's the subject?
"Would you mind translating the above into English?" is,however, a proper sentence. |
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| Barny Rubble |
No! it should have been, “the above”? Into English | ||||||
| IF Convenor |
Believe what you like, you're just confirming your lack of education in my eyes.
You're not worth playing with any more so I'm going to stop now before you bore me to death. |
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| Barny Rubble |
Funny I was thinking the same about you....tell me have you ever come out on top of anything? having looked at your posts on other threads your either kissing butt, or losing the debate. |
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| Barny Rubble |
Confirmed TROLL.... Even the boards corrupt but what can one expect from the Scots. 
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| Niall |
Barney a charaid amadan. Listen up Englishman, there is a very old gaidhlig proverb which fits you to the 'T'. "Amadan ma mi-thoirt, bhoidh meas duineghlic air nam biodhe e'na thosd." This translates as : "The poor fool would pass for a wise man if he held his tongue. Mar sin leibh an drasda. Niall. |
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| Barny Rubble |
<<<Believe what you like, you're just confirming your lack of education in my eyes. You're not worth playing with any more so I'm going to stop now before you bore me to death>>> It appears the Scots can, and do insult posters on this board, if other posters retaliate they are in the wrong. Going by this alone I will stick with what I said! |
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| SLG |
I don't think you have been insulted. All the comments directed against you are appropriate IMO. It is also clear that you are a troll. |
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| Barny Rubble |
Offended? why should I be offended? like i said, if you can't take it, don't give it out! it looks like the Scot can't handle it son. |
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| SLG |
I never suggested you were offended and I don't expect you to be. Most of the posts by the 'Scots' here have tried to show the errors in your posts and people have repeatedly asked you to present evidence to back up your points. You have failed to do so. It has degenerated from there.
I'm going to lock this thread for the time being as it's going nowhere. |
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