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Cymro

Irish language Act for Northern Ireland

http://www.eurolang.net/index.php...;id=2758&Itemid=1&lang=en

Very good thing when it comes to fruition!

However then you get things like this:

Quote:
The Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) expressed concerns about the Irish Language Act being used as a vehicle to "erode Britishness". The DUP added that they will take all necessary steps to ensure that money is not "wasted" on Irish language schemes.

Rolling Eyes Worrying given that the DUP will be the Main Party in the devolved body.
cymrofawr

Ian Paisley can't get his nose out of anything. He probably doesn't speak a word of any language other than English. He has no right to interfere in the rights of others who want to speak Irish or any other language. But thats Dr. Paisley for you.
Congal

Not just Paisley. I was reading in an Eire paper, some people objecting to it in it in the Republic.
Barny Rubble

//Ian Paisley can't get his nose out of anything. He probably doesn't speak a word of any language other than English. He has no right to interfere in the rights of others who want to speak Irish or any other language. But thats Dr. Paisley for you.//

Yes, maybe you’re right that’s why he’s been the MP for North Antrim for 36 years.. Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
garye

Congal wrote:
Not just Paisley. I was reading in an Eire paper, some people objecting to it in it in the Republic.


Don't suppose you've got a link?
SLG

I've heard folk from the RoI complain generally about money and right given towards the Irish language. Just like we get here wrt Gaelic.
garye

SLG wrote:
I've heard folk from the RoI complain generally about money and right given towards the Irish language. Just like we get here wrt Gaelic.


It's probably good foresight to be aware that we're still going to have to fight the same battles post Independence!
Congal

garye wrote:
Congal wrote:
Not just Paisley. I was reading in an Eire paper, some people objecting to it in it in the Republic.


Don't suppose you've got a link?



Not a link actually....one of a few letters from the Irish Times

An bhfuil ga' le Gaeilge?

Madam,- Declan Kiberd recently made the suggestion which I paraphase,that if Irish became a subject of choice in the Leaving Certificate,and if 20 per cent of the pupils then willingly chose to study it,the linguistic results would be better than under the present dispensation [Opinion, November 7th]

Gabriel Rosenstock [November 8th] replied that Irish should not be seen as so difficult to learn that everybody cannot do so. But since everybody does not want to do Irish in the Leaving Certificate,the adoption of Mr Rosenstock's view in effect means maintaining compulsory Irish.

So what is new? These statements simply reflect the long-standing debate:is Irish a cultural resource,implying voluntary acceptance,or a symbol of the State,implying that all must be compelled to accept it.

But there are now some changes in the context of the debate. It is clear that in many gaelscoileanna the Irish being taught is of a poor standard - too low for the acquisition of any literary culture,old or new. And as for the rest of the schools,as Declan Kiberd says, most pupils know very little after 13 years'study,so by definition there can be little cultural value there either.

And now there is the Offical Language Act and the creation of State-funded sinecures to pay a few Irish speakers for producing unncessary documents which will never be read,nor are even intended to be. Where's the culture in that? Or the honour? Or the leadership?
I think that all those who are interested in Irish as a cultural resource should ask themselves frankly if Mr Kiberd is not right - Yours,etc, DONAL FLYNN, Sandycove, Co Dublin.
garye

Congal wrote:
garye wrote:
Congal wrote:
Not just Paisley. I was reading in an Eire paper, some people objecting to it in it in the Republic.


Don't suppose you've got a link?



Not a link actually....one of a few letters from the Irish Times

An bhfuil ga' le Gaeilge?

Madam,- Declan Kiberd recently made the suggestion which I paraphase,that if Irish became a subject of choice in the Leaving Certificate,and if 20 per cent of the pupils then willingly chose to study it,the linguistic results would be better than under the present dispensation [Opinion, November 7th]

Gabriel Rosenstock [November 8th] replied that Irish should not be seen as so difficult to learn that everybody cannot do so. But since everybody does not want to do Irish in the Leaving Certificate,the adoption of Mr Rosenstock's view in effect means maintaining compulsory Irish.

So what is new? These statements simply reflect the long-standing debate:is Irish a cultural resource,implying voluntary acceptance,or a symbol of the State,implying that all must be compelled to accept it.

But there are now some changes in the context of the debate. It is clear that in many gaelscoileanna the Irish being taught is of a poor standard - too low for the acquisition of any literary culture,old or new. And as for the rest of the schools,as Declan Kiberd says, most pupils know very little after 13 years'study,so by definition there can be little cultural value there either.

And now there is the Offical Language Act and the creation of State-funded sinecures to pay a few Irish speakers for producing unncessary documents which will never be read,nor are even intended to be. Where's the culture in that? Or the honour? Or the leadership?
I think that all those who are interested in Irish as a cultural resource should ask themselves frankly if Mr Kiberd is not right - Yours,etc, DONAL FLYNN, Sandycove, Co Dublin.


Sorry Congal, your initial post seemed to suggest that their was opposition in the RoI to the proposed Irish Language Act for the North (which unless I’m mistaken is going to be enacted by the UK government)

Going by the letters here (and from what I’ve read elsewhere) the debate relates to how effective past/future provision was/is in the RoI itself and how it could be improved upon.

I think Paisley (et al) just isn’t interested and would gladly see Irish in NI be neglected and die. I’ve often wondered what his opinions of Scots Gaidhlig or Welsh were. I would guess negative…
Congal

I was only pointing out that Paisley is not the only person with that viewpoint,about the Language Act and Gaelic in general. Personally I couldn't care one way or the other. If its going to keep some folk happy,then thats fine.


In Ulster unforturnately, language has become a bit of a political football.
SLG

I think that Paisley's reasons for opposing the Act are quite different from those in the south who oppose the development of the Irish language.
Congal

As I say a political football. sinn fein/ira didn't help matters when they said that every word spoken in Irish is another shot in the fight for freedom.

It turned many loyalists off,although a few still go to classes.
Aventinian

Oh, I just enjoy when Gerry Adams tries to speak Irish and fails miserably. Always amusing.
parkhead_rfb

Aventinian wrote:
Oh, I just enjoy when Gerry Adams tries to speak Irish and fails miserably. Always amusing.


I didnt know you were fluent in irish.
SLG

It's not as funny as Redwood trying to sing the Welsh national anthem Laughing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIwBvjoLyZc
Cymro

Now that was good!

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