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| ProudToBeAScotsGirl |
Is this true?I was reading this article, and was wondering about a certain bit on it. Is this true?http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/200...uk-britain-elections-87aac06.html "Brown said the vast majority of Scots had voted for a Scotland "that maintains its rightful place in Britain". Polls show a majority of Scots against independence and some voters backed the SNP as a protest against Labour. Labour plans to renew a Scotland-based nuclear arsenal fuelled the backlash." It's really bothering me...I supose if it IS true the truth hurts, but I would have thought the majority of Scots support independence. I mean, I guess in truth Brown cannae say that without a referendum. Did he say that to maybe discourage independence supporters? |
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| SLG |
There's polls that can be used to back up either argument on indepdence.
It is true that the majority of voters backed parties that don't support independence. It is a more complex picture than that. Certainly a majority of the Scottish Parliament back more powers for the Parliament though. |
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| Aventinian |
I certainly don't think the SNP won this on its own steam as such. As the old addage goes, oppositions don't win elections, governments lose them. | ||||
| SLG |
Well, yes, a lot of people want a change from Labour. The SNP have done well to put themselves into the position to receive the benefits from that. Remember after the last Westminster election, the Lib Dems became the second biggest party. I was expecting the Lib Dems to make big gains regardless of what happened here. That didn't happen. Anabelle Goldie has received a lot of plaudits, but people are also still disinclined to back the Tories in numbers.
The electorate have chosen give the SNP the chance to take Scotland forward. |
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| ProudToBeAScotsGirl |
I supose it's all real complicated. I do my best to follow and understand. But important thing is SNP is doing well now and good things will be coming our way! 
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| mairead |
As I understand it while thge SNP only won by a single seat, the number of votes actually given to the SNP showed that they were the most popular by far which is a better indication of how the Scots voted. | ||||
| agentmancuso |
Most popular "by far"? By less than 1% actually. |
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| ProudToBeAScotsGirl |
I hope they have that referandum, and I hope it passes. I think an important thing to do is make sure everyone is educated about the idea of Scotland being independent, it's easy to be weary of such a big thing to happen and want things to stay the same.
What's bothering me is ive read a second artical and it also says "although the polls show that most Scots reject independence" it feels so discouraging. Im worried it making people think "well...no one else really wants it, do I really want it?" |
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| Hendry |
Re: Is this true?
Don't believe unionist lies. When the simple question "Do you want Scotland to become an independent country?" is asked the average indicated result in a referendum is over 50% YES. It only averages less than that for questions which include other issues (e.g. the EU) or words like 'seperation' which no respectible Electoral Commission would allow as they connote ideas of border guards etc. in some people's minds. There are all sorts of tricks used, like ridiculous and confusingly worded preambles to the question, mention of the Scottish Parliament or Scottish Executive mention of 'negotiating with Westminster' etc. etc all of which can cause voters who want independence yet say no to the option on offer. However, there are international guidleines for this and the UN for example, would not accept questions designed to confuse or alienate voters from the central issue. People outside Scotland are not aware of just how desperate the UK government is to hold on to Scotland. Everything from downright lies to incessant black propaganda designed to keep Scot's self-esteem below the threshold of confidence required to vote for independence and even cultural engineering is going on here. In many people's opinion. |
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| agentmancuso |
Re: Is this true?
Can you exemplify in any way? |
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| ProudToBeAScotsGirl |
Re: Is this true?I heard they are promising a referandum for 2010, I have a feeling it might take longer, but that's alright! Gives time to educate and inform everyone about the idea of Scottish independence, and by then I would be a naturalized citizen and could vote!
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| Aventinian |
Re: Is this true?
The United Nations in its present guise has no business commentating on an internal British referendum. Anyway, to get a blankly worded referendum, the UK Parliament would have to call it. And the present answer from it is a resounding no, and is likely to continue that way.
In many Nationalists' opinions. Personally my self-esteem is soaring.
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| FALSYDE |
There is a basic rule in politics as far as Labour / Gordon Brown are concerned. It is rare that they do not lie and standard that they rarely understand the issues.
As far as GB is concerned it is a given that whatever he says has little more than a grain of truth and rather too much of sleight of hand. For a man who has never had a proper = real job in his puff he has a bloody nerve to come out with the nonsense that he does. Trust me, I went to school with the man. Since 'Prudence', as he likes to be known, has been in charge of the UK economy the real increase in taxation has been close to 5% higher. Since GB was sent his personal copy of The Great Deception by myself he no longer spouts out nonsense about his homeland being in perpetual deficit. Further more since he has been in charge of the UK economy [ten years] he has taken it from surplus to an accumulated deficit of circa £ 280 billion. The past 12 months alone it was £80 billion. Some prudence indeed, like his fellow Scots countryman Tony Blair, any resemblance to truth, reality or intergrity is a rather tenious 'thing' at best. Without Scotland's budgetary surplus for the msot recent fiscal period [2004/05] of £9.632 billion - thousand million the UK would be up to its arse in mega debt. The current spending proposals associated with his campaign for leadership following Blair there will be either even more tax, further accumulated trading deficit, and real cutbacks on essential services as he continues to stuff the public sector with workers to imply a real low unemployment figure. Gordon Brown is the past master of the Hall of Mirrors and there will come a time when there will be a melt down as always happens with socialists in power, the people who will pay the price and hurt most are the normal trusting dumb voters. Ce la vie, it was ever thus. Jam tomorrow as each generation has to learn for itself the penalties of voting in the Labour party |
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