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ProudToBeAScotsGirl
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Just a few Scot's Gaelic questions ^_^Hello everyone!
Seems no matter how long im away, I always come back to this great forum. I love the pride! Right to the point...
First question is, I am trying to better understand these phrases for saying "I love you." I am learning Scottish Gaelic a wee bit a night, so im really working hard at it but I woulden't mind learning this phrase to say to my Fiance. Could anyone help me better understand them?
Scottish Gaelic:
Tha gràdh agam ort
Tha gaol agam dhut (Can be more intimate)
Tha gaol agam ort (Can be more intimate)
I should be able to work out their pronounceation, but if anyone can sort of write out roughly how they are said that would be brilliant too. I really want to do the language justice. I got these off a "how to say I love you in several languages" website of course, sense I am an almost complete beginner.
An extra wee question that comes to mind is, is Hamish technicaly a gaelic name? I heard it's a gaelic version of James, but ive seen James in Scots Gaelic in my lessons in a totally different way. I guess im cureious because if I have a son someday, I want to give him a Scottish Gaelic name, but one very traditional and Scottish as well. I thought, if Hamish really is a Scottish name, I woulden't mind keeping that going. But if it's history isn't quite as Scottish as it appears, I might want to delve into Scottish Gaelic names a bit more. In fact...where would I find a list of them? Knowing they are the real-deal of course.
Thanks ahead of time, you lot are awesome! 
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garye
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Re: Just a few Scot's Gaelic questions ^_^ | ProudToBeAScotsGirl wrote: | Hello everyone!
Seems no matter how long im away, I always come back to this great forum. I love the pride! Right to the point...
First question is, I am trying to better understand these phrases for saying "I love you." I am learning Scottish Gaelic a wee bit a night, so im really working hard at it but I woulden't mind learning this phrase to say to my Fiance. Could anyone help me better understand them?
Scottish Gaelic:
Tha gràdh agam ort
Tha gaol agam dhut (Can be more intimate)
Tha gaol agam ort (Can be more intimate)
I should be able to work out their pronounceation, but if anyone can sort of write out roughly how they are said that would be brilliant too. I really want to do the language justice. I got these off a "how to say I love you in several languages" website of course, sense I am an almost complete beginner.
An extra wee question that comes to mind is, is Hamish technicaly a gaelic name? I heard it's a gaelic version of James, but ive seen James in Scots Gaelic in my lessons in a totally different way. I guess im cureious because if I have a son someday, I want to give him a Scottish Gaelic name, but one very traditional and Scottish as well. I thought, if Hamish really is a Scottish name, I woulden't mind keeping that going. But if it's history isn't quite as Scottish as it appears, I might want to delve into Scottish Gaelic names a bit more. In fact...where would I find a list of them? Knowing they are the real-deal of course.
Thanks ahead of time, you lot are awesome! |
PTBASG...
The usual qualification to this is that I'm only a learner myself but here goes...
I would say that "Tha gaol agam ort" (pronounced “ha gool akam orst“) is the usual one for "I love you" to your spouse/partner/bidey in/girlfriend/boyfriend whatever. I've never seen it as "Tha gaol agam dhut" (pronounced “ha gool akam ghoot“) to be honest. Gradh is definetely less intimate and is often used in the vocative case (when your speaking to someone) as "a' ghraidh" e.g. rinn thu gu math, a'ghraidh. (rine oo goo mah uh ghraiy - You did well, dear)
Which brings us to Hamish as a name, the derivation is sort of the same as Mari/a Mhairi (see various posts on the"questions to help the anti union cause" thread).
The Gaelic equivalent of James as a name is Seamus. When your speaking to someone directly in Gaelic the case changes to vocative which for male names means the initial consonant gets an "h" put in front of it (if it can) while an "i" goes after the last vowel. This changes "Seamus" to "a' Sheamuis" ( pronounced uh Hamish). Sooo.. basically folk historically heard people being addressed as "a' Sheamuis" thought their name was "Hamish" and decided to call their weans that.
It is common enough though that it is accepted as a name and most people consider it a strong Scottish name but historically it does stem from a mistake as opposed to really being Gaelic as such.
I should say at this point that my oldest is called James but is called Seamus in Gaelic and addressed as a' Sheamuis. Our younger one is Thomas, which is Tomas and a' Thomais (uh Homish) in Gaelic.
Relating to your question on another tread, if you are keen on Gaelic you may want to consider when you move to Scotland whether or not the local Primary School has a Gaelic Medium Unit. Kids who go through this are immersed in the language from Primary 1 (I.e. aged 4/5) and basically grow up Bi-lingual. Depends on whether or not you currently have kids or are just planning that at the moment because you have to enter GME in Primary 1 or 2. Most places who have GME units also have Nursery provision.
You could also bear in mind that even if the local school doesn't have a GME unit there might be another one within travelling distance that does. Also, the unit Inverness is being upgraded to being a dedicated Gaelic Medium Primary School
You should be able to get that information from the Highland Council website.
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ProudToBeAScotsGirl
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Re: Just a few Scot's Gaelic questions ^_^Hey! I could have sworn I replied to this, but I checked back and I must have hit the wrong button or something...
Thank you for the information on how to say "I Love You" in Scot's Gaelic. As I said, learning a language comes difficult for me, but I am taking it a wee bit a night. In the mean time it will be very sweet to be able to tell my Fiance I love him in the beautiful language of Scotland! Any chance you know if William Wallace or Rob Roy had spoken Scot's Gaelic?
Thank you also for the clear up on the name Hamish, I am not particular to common names like James, but I do like the name Hamish a lot. I have the idea of spelling the name Seamus, but pronouncing it Hamish naturally. Looking at the spelling Hamish does feel really Scottish, but hey, it's not like I need to decide soon or anything! Is there a source of old Scottish Gaelic names by chance?
Oh!! You woulden't happen to know the pronounceation of the word Cluaran would you? I am pretty sure it means Thistle...that's my girl name! The boy name is the one giving me all the trouble. 
Thank you SOOOOOOOOOO much for telling me about the Gaelic Medium Unit, I had NO idea that sort of program existed! I don't have any children yet, but I am engaged, so it has crossed my mind.  I will definetly make sure to locate one when starting a family is a current event and we're looking to buy our Highland home.
I hope Scotland stays as rual as it is now when she becomes independent, that's my only worry, seeing the tiny country grow too much too fast and before we know it hills are being flattened to make room for more housing and the highlands become the...um...citylands?
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Highlander
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| Quote: | | I hope Scotland stays as rual [sic] as it is now when she becomes independent, that's my only worry, seeing the tiny country grow too much too fast and before we know it hills are being flattened to make room for more housing and the highlands become the...um...citylands? |
That's right we should all be subsistence farmers, all living in black houses with thatched roofs not trying to modernise ourselves. You obviously know very little about Scotland and any of the country's history of development.
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wisnaeme
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| Highlander wrote: |
That's right we should all be subsistence farmers, all living in black houses with thatched roofs not trying to modernise ourselves. You obviously know very little about Scotland and any of the country's history of development.
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The lady is obviously interested in Scotland and expresses concerns but most of all she is interested in learning about Scotland and visiting it as our guest.
Rudeness and sarcasm are not the traits normally associated with usually polite highlanders, particularily to folk overseas.
"Highlander", ye call yerself? Aye right. Highlander ma @rse.
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ProudToBeAScotsGirl
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| wisnaeme wrote: | | Highlander wrote: |
That's right we should all be subsistence farmers, all living in black houses with thatched roofs not trying to modernise ourselves. You obviously know very little about Scotland and any of the country's history of development.
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The lady is obviously interested in Scotland and expresses concerns but most of all she is interested in learning about Scotland and visiting it as our guest.
Rudeness and sarcasm are not the traits normally associated with usually polite highlanders, particularily to folk overseas.
"Highlander", ye call yerself? Aye right. Highlander ma @rse. |
Thank you for standing up for me wisnaeme, I was really surprised at what "Highlander" said to me. I only meant that I feel the rual-ness of Scotland is part of Scotland's identity, and I hope we can find a compromise and still modernize without sacraficing too much of Scotland's natural heritage and the ability to live a rual life in a village or small town. Perhaps focusing modernizing and growth just in the cities, but keeping it minimal (but very benificial) in the small towns and villages. I guess this concerns me because Scotland is quite a small country and over-development would be quite scary (ive seen too much of it where I grew up), but im sure im worrying too much. If the towns and villages we're to dissapear, im sure they would have long ago. But hey...independence is a BIG change...I hope im making sense. That's really my only concern with Indepenence, I fully support it and look foward to seeing a referandum.
And don't worry wisnaeme, I have been to Scotland many times to visit my now Fiance, and I have not met a rude Scot yet, they all have been very kind and took me in like I was family. In fact...I will be now won't I! I hope to be a citizen soon once my Fiance and I marry, that's why learning these things and keeping up with Scottish Independence is so important to me, I want to be as good a citizen as any native living Scot.
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Highlander
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| Quote: | | Rudeness and sarcasm are not the traits normally associated with usually polite highlanders, particularily to folk overseas. |
Racial stereotyping is a terrible thing.
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wisnaeme
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| Highlander wrote: |
Racial stereotyping is a terrible thing.
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De tha gu bhith annad nuair a dh'fhasas tu mor? Fior amadan?
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garye
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| wisnaeme wrote: | | Highlander wrote: |
Racial stereotyping is a terrible thing.
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De tha gu bhith annad nuair a dh'fhasas tu mor? Fior amadan?
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Se fior amadan a th'ann an drasda. Tha fios aig a-huile sin.
PTBASG
I'll PM you over a reply to spare us the rude interuptions.
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ProudToBeAScotsGirl
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Alright Gayre, I really appreciate it! It's great seeing Gaelic being used, hopefuly someday soon i'll make enough progress to be able to type and speak it myself! Going to go do my wee lesson, then head for some sleep. Im heading to Scotland January 24th, and am trying to get a head start on the jet-lag so I can spend as much time as possible with my Fiance. No such luck tonight, but better then going to bed at 1am!
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