Archive for Our Scotland - www.our-scotland.org Scottish Politics Discussion Forum / Messageboard - Dedicated to online discussion about Scottish Politics and an Independent Scotland, as well as Scottish Society today. We also have a section dedicated to Banter, Sport and Recommended Sites.
 



       Our Scotland - www.our-scotland.org Forum Index -> Global Politics
sandmountainslim

League of the South

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_the_south
http://www.dixienet.org/

I thought I would provide a bit of an introduction of my compatriots in the LoS, alot of times Scotsmen hear myself or others speak of the LoS and assume I am speaking of a KKK type organization, the truth is far from that, the description from Wikipedia pasted below does a decent job of describing the group. my group ScotWatch is allied with the LoS and we act in support of them with petitions/letters to editors etc.
Deo Vindice
WP

Politically, the League of the South defies normal definitions of Left and Right, being further right than Edmund Burke and further left than Karl Marx. Despite this paradox, it may be best characterized as Southern traditionalist, advocating both for greater political and cultural autonomy for the South against the dual onslaught of centralized government and global capitalism. The League proposes to build a new society on a foundation of government centered in communities, accountable to the people, and with an economy of self-sufficient farms and small businesses.- Wikipedia
SLG

I'm not familiar too with the LoS. But they have a real image problem. About the only thing I've heard of beyond being Southern secessionists are the links with the KKK etc. I have also heard people insist that though some members say that the LoS is not racist, it most definately is. I've never looked into it myself though.

Quote:
The League proposes to build a new society on a foundation of government centered in communities, accountable to the people, and with an economy of self-sufficient farms and small businesses.


I like the description from wikipedia you quote though. It is similar to the maximal devolution I would like to see in Scotland. Where as much power as is possible is devolved as far downstream towards the local community as possible. When Independent, Scotland must not become a centralised state like the UK has been.
sandmountainslim

SLG wrote:
I'm not familiar too with the LoS. But they have a real image problem. About the only thing I've heard of beyond being Southern secessionists are the links with the KKK etc. I have also heard people insist that though some members say that the LoS is not racist, it most definately is. I've never looked into it myself though..

You are correct about the image problem, I cannot deny that there are probably some people in the LoS who are also in the KKK, however I am sure there also people in the Republican and Democratic Parties who are also Klansmen and I do know that the League doesn't condone racist beliefs nor seek KKK members during recruitment drives.
Rinty

w

It should have been this one instead.

Quote:
every people with authentic Christian sensibilities


Not freedom for all southerners then , just the Christian ones.

Quote:
substituted the opinions of men for the decrees of God


Which god would that be?

Quote:
...invoking the blessings of our Lord, Jesus Christ, on a just cause.


Now the decalration of Arbroath has the excuse of being from a time when religion ruled and people were largely uneducated, but what sort of freedom does this league want for the south?
azzuri

This is a bit off-topic - but I was watching the american version of 'wife-swap' on tv the other night (no slagging please!) and it was a gay couple and a couple from the deep south who swapped partners for a week.

What really scared me was the beliefs and truths that this southerner family held. The guy wouldn't let the gay guy into his house - said he was basically the root of all evil and was spawned by the devil! What was even worse was he called his pastor for 'spiritual guidance' and his pastor was even worse, telling the guy that the scriptures were very clear on homosexuality - that it was a sin and they were all going to burn in hell!

I can't actually believe attitudes like this are still widely held in America - what's going on?
sandmountainslim

Re: w

Rinty wrote:
It should have been this one instead.

Quote:
every people with authentic Christian sensibilities


Not freedom for all southerners then , just the Christian ones.

Quote:
substituted the opinions of men for the decrees of God


Which god would that be?

Quote:
...invoking the blessings of our Lord, Jesus Christ, on a just cause.


Now the decalration of Arbroath has the excuse of being from a time when religion ruled and people were largely uneducated, but what sort of freedom does this league want for the south?

Not something I worry about, I myself am not a religious man but I understand the religion speak is just a part of Southron Culture and that many of my compatriots are of the religious bent, no discrimination against non Christians is implied, there are of course many Evangelicals in the LoS, there are also Marxists as well as just about any other political/religious/economic belief you can imagine, we have one common goal which holds us together, a grand coalition if you will.
Deo Vindice
WP
sandmountainslim

Scottish Kluckers?... Rolling Eyes
http://www.kkkk.net/ikscotland/
Leathlaobhair

Not sure. I trust the opinions of the Southern Poverty Law Center and they've a pretty firm view on the group.
sandmountainslim

Leathlaobhair wrote:
Not sure. I trust the opinions of the Southern Poverty Law Center and they've a pretty firm view on the group.

Had you ever met Morris Dees and had a look at the "Poverty Palace" in Montgomery, I don't believe you would trust the SPLC so much, 35 years ago they actually had a goal but today they mainly just make up "Bogeymen" to scare the donations in.

A bit of info on Dees and his SPLC
http://www.patriotist.com/dees.htm
And an open letter to Dees from David Horowitz
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=9622
For anyone who doesn't know Horowitz, he was a 1960's era leader of the New Left movement and currently a writer for NewsMax.
Deo Vindice
WP
sandmountainslim

"Im a good ol' rebel,thats just what I am
and for this Yankee nation ,I do not give a damn
Im glad I fought agin 'er ,I only wish we'd won
and I aint ask any pardon, for anythin I done..."

I'm A Good Ole Rebel, written by a veteran of the Confederate States Army 1861-1865

Deo Vindice Resurgam! The Yankee Empire will NOT hold us forever. Twisted Evil
RFM

You are right on the mark Rinty!
Unfortunately in the southern United States, the sun gets very hot in the summer months and seems to do strange things to many of our locals. If you have any doubts about the views of the Southern Poverty Law Center, take a quick peek at Mr. Snadmountain's views in this forum under the American Civil War.
RFM
sandmountainslim

RFM wrote:
You are right on the mark Rinty!
Unfortunately in the southern United States, the sun gets very hot in the summer months and seems to do strange things to many of our locals. If you have any doubts about the views of the Southern Poverty Law Center, take a quick peek at Mr. Snadmountain's views in this forum under the American Civil War.
RFM

The Return Of The Chicago Troll Very Happy
RFM

Hi there Mr. Vindice,
How's your Latin coming along?
RFM
sandmountainslim

RFM wrote:
Hi there Mr. Vindice,
How's your Latin coming along?
RFM

bene


And how is Trolling nowadays? Laughing
RFM

Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris.

RFM
sandmountainslim

Ceasar è guasto La vostra discussione è guasto

Troll Very Happy
sandmountainslim

Se trata de la mayor coleccion de videojuegos del mundo. El dueño de este “santuario” debe tener todos y cada uno de los juegos y accesorios de cada uno de las consolas existentes


Et in Arcadia Ego Laughing
RFM

Latin, Ace, not half-baked Spanish.
Ab asino lanem.
RFM
sandmountainslim

Pero, hay una problema pequeña. Yo se que la español en Nicaragua es diferente que la español en otras paises. Si alguien iba a Nicaragua, ¿puede hablarme como es diferente? Si recuerdo, no hablan la "s" si es en el fin de la palabra.
RFM

When were you there Mr. Vindice?
RFM
sandmountainslim

RFM wrote:
When were you there Mr. Vindice?
RFM


1856 if I am William Walker (something that you would probably believe) Laughing
Deo Vindice
WP
RFM

No quieres responder? Por que no, Senor Rata?
RFM
sandmountainslim

RFM wrote:
No quieres responder? Por que no, Senor Rata?
RFM


Senor Rata??
Vaya Al Infierno!

Post Scriptum:
Unless you are blind you will see that I did respond, it is the post directly above yours Confused
I have had enough of your nonsense and will respond no more to your childish rantings.
RFM

Tu estaba una Contra, Senor Vindice?
RFM
RFM

Tu tenais miedo, Senor Deo?
njminer1

Чтобы быть правдивые, вы просто combative индивидуум, с презрением для любого мнения но вашего own.and, приезжая из чикаго, то есть смелый в самом деле, ой hog мясник к world.the джентльмену вы умаляете, сделали согласованные усилия держать рациональное обсуждение, но я полагаю, если вы живете через секунду город, вы будете во-вторых класс. Я интересуюсь чтобы увидеть как изменялся ваши лингвистические способности действительно, или вы trapped в вашем decadent латинские основанные языки. Революция не мертвая!
SLG

Guys, could we keep this in English, Scots or Scots Gaelic please, as per the forum rules.

Cheers,

SLG.
RFM

To njminer1:
The webmaster is right, particularly where you are concerned. It might come as quite a shock to you, but Russian is not written by substituting Russian words for English. I suspect however that you are using one of those hand-held instant so-called translating devices and one with an extremely small vocabulary to boot. For instance you use several English words which have well known Russian equivalents. You also use expressions which no Russian would use, like your rendition of "hog butcher of the world" and "the revolution is not dead". If you really want to impress someone with your Russian linguisitic skills you really should also take a couple of classes in Russian grammar; and whatever you do hold onto your day job. But I see that you are really just another American, and just running interference for Mr. Deo Vindice, who has become suddenly shy about my questions concerning his Spanish. Хрена тебе болшого. (Run that through your translator)
RFM
njminer1

aahhh, tell your associate over in the eastern european languages department , well done. and please save your lecture on the russian people their languages and beliefs.i understand that by leaving them in an economic vaccum after their government fell, we made yet one more friend on the world stage. i don't feel i need to run interferance for anyone, but i do stand by my friends. this is widely considered a noble trait by men of substance. while watching the nature of the posts from where they started, it is entirely amazing that a man of obviously well studied foundation, would resort to personal attacks for the sake of winning an arguement. in regard to your stance on the war of northern aggression, it is apparent you have steeped yourself in revisionist history, and have become entrenched in it.
from here, all that can be surmised, is that for your wealth of knowledge, at some point you have ceased to gather and assimilate data, except to re enforce your stand. that is a human trait.
as for the rest of your vehemence, i guess we all cant be from new york, ya know? but you shouldn't take it so hard. and thanks, i can read russian,so i don't need to run it through anything but the shredder.
i am quite fond of sign language, however, and at this point, offer you a new jersey peace sign.
apologies to you mr. webmaster, i believe this response from rfm has shown the point of my message. thank you for your forebearance Laughing
RFM

To njminer1;
Sorry but I am not a member of any institution with a languages department.
Your friend is probably to be complimented on the time and energy he devotes to the cause of southern sympathizers; unfortunately he would probably do his cause a much greater service if he were to devote that time and energy to trying to make the world a better place. I understand that young men and women all over the world seek freverently for something, some ideal to believe in. That is a good thing and speaks well of them, particularly the idealism they wish to attach to those things they want to trust and cherish. God knows the modern world is in very short supply of such ideals and such causes. Somethings however we must take as given; racial hatred, bigotry, and injustice are all things that exist for the simple reason that good men do not speak out quickly to condemn it when it first appears. The result is that it rapidly develops a life of its own and sweeps along the trusting, the well-intentioned and the innocent. Бог всё вйдет но не скоро делет.-Tolstoy
RFM
Leathlaobhair

Which begs the question...why would you pop up on a forum about Scottish politics with a message entirely in Russian in a seemingly random topic?
RFM

Leathloabhair;
Good question Sir, but I assume you are not speaking to moi.
RFM
RFM

In fact Leathloabhair, the more I think about it the more I agree with you. For what its worth the closest possible translation of his Russian, (as I noted he isn't writing in Russian but merely substituting Russian words in English sentences) but the gist of what he is trying to convey is as follows:

In order to be honest, you are simply a combative individual, with contempt for any opinion but your own, travel from Chicago(sic) this is bold, a unique case, the hog butcher of the world, the gentleman you belittle, extended an agreement with effort (sic) to hold rational service (sic) but I suppose if you live across the second city (sic) you would be second class. I am interested that you appear as modifying (sic) your linguist talent indeed, or you trapped
in your decadent latin fundamental language. The revolution is not dead.

Maybe the man simply had a wee doch and doris too many.
RFM

       Our Scotland - www.our-scotland.org Forum Index -> Global Politics
Page 1 of 1
Create your own free forum | Buy a domain to use with your forum
Our Scotland Hit Counter 'Top Scottish Websites' - www.our-scotland.org Scottish Top Site - Topsites Top 100 Scottish Websites Our Scotland Forums Critical Acclaim ~ Politically Progressive Top Sites Tartan Army Topsites View Site Stats Our Scotland Blog Scottish Politics Scottish Lads