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Alasdair

Lib Dems mount referendum review

The Lib Dems are to hold a review of their position on a referendum during a private conference to be held on 30th October.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8297486.stm
Reluctant Hero

I think they realise which way the wind is blowing and are preparing for a massive U-turn  Very Happy
Stevie

Re: Lib Dems mount referendum review

Alasdair wrote:
The Lib Dems are to hold a review of their position on a referendum during a private conference to be held on 30th October.


The political equivalent of yellow matter custard dripping down a dead dog's eye... doesn't make any sense unless your on acid.  

Oh no, I think I understand : I hear the 'puck puck' of chicken noises.
landg

the lib whoe's?
Cruachan

Re: Lib Dems mount referendum review

Alasdair wrote:
The Lib Dems are to hold a review of their position on a referendum during a private conference to be held on 30th October.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8297486.stm



Whether this comes from Scott's weakness within his Party or a genuine change of heart, I care not.  This is potentially huge.
Holebender

At best they'll use it as their excuse for abstaining in the vote. I seriously doubt they'll come out in favour of a referendum just yet.
Dave Coull

Holebender wrote:
At best they'll use it as their excuse for abstaining in the vote.
The "best" (and most liberal and democratic...........) outcome would be a decision for a free vote, so that each individual MSP can decide whether to vote for, or against, or abstain, on the issue of a democratic referendum for self-determination (while bearing in mind their assessment of the likely feelings of their constituents, of course).
Holebender wrote:
I seriously doubt they'll come out in favour of a referendum just yet.
There is actually no desperate need for them to come out in favour of a referendum "just yet". There will still be quite some time before the legislation actually gets put to the vote. Plenty of time for further clarification of the LibDem position........
Rinty

the libs see the opportunity for taking advantage of the minority govts difficulty in getting the bill through.  This doesnt surprise me at all, in fact I predicted it, thought it might be the tories who were first though.

The Libs wont actually hold a position based on a political argument but will be looking to see what they can gain from supporting the bill, or not.
William_Cleland

Maybe worth bearing in mind that they could have got something big in exchange for backing a referendum as far back as 2007 in exchange for a coalition deal. Think this behind closed doors review is because there are people within the Lib Dems who have Wendy Alexander's "Bring it on!" mentality of getting the referendum out the way as soon as possible while a No victory is still pretty much assured and have very strong views about it given the uncertainty over what a Tory government might have done to Scottish public opinion by the 2011 Holyrood election. Given there has already been vocal dissension about their no referendum policy from an MSP and an MEP it's probably part of a wider exercise in restoring party discipline given 12 leading party hacks have careers as MPs on the line next year in a Scottish context.
Holebender

It is also worth bearing in mind what has happened to their opinion poll ratings since they went into the wilderness in 2007. This could be them looking for a way into coalition in 2011. I think that horse is long gone and they're way too slow at trying to shut the stable door. Their poll ratings imply they will not be worth negotiating with in 2011, and the SNP has shown that minority government can produce results without the need for a formal coalition.
Stevie

I simply prey the Tories will disappear forever from the Scottish political landscape.

Nothing personal against any Tories posting because it would nice if the Labour party would oblige and do the same.

I never thought I would be able to write this kind of stuff with a backdrop of both parties withering in public (even if it is temporary...?).

Bliss...

Zipideedodah zipideeday, my oh my...

(Forgive my enthusiasm, I never do this kind of victory dance but I am not dancing on their graves - they're far from dead yet -  but rather dancing for joy at the improving prospects for the Scottish independence movement).
Aventinian

Stevie wrote:
I never thought I would be able to write this kind of stuff with a backdrop of both parties withering in public (even if it is temporary...?).


I'm not quite sure how the Tories could be said to be 'withering' - they will, after all, almost certainly form the next government.
Holebender

...and they're doing so well in Scotland, aren't they? Take your Unionist blinkers off and look at the political landscape in Scotland. OK the Tories aren't withering, they withered well over a decade ago and have pretty much stagnated since.

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