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| Congal |
Belfast Childhttp://www.upmj.co.uk/2002movie.htm |
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| Rinty |
gShocking.Do you really think that all of the trouble was from one side. Why place pictures of Omagh after pictures of McGuiness when he clearly wasnt involved in that. This is completely against the spirit of the song included and posts should st least include some comment not just links. To suggest that the IRA campaign was "genocide" is ridiculous and does the argument of unionists no favours at all. |
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| Congal |
Re: g
Aye shocking is true enough. But its very very very interesting that its not the scenes of devestation that shocks you. But that McGuinness is shown on the screen and the Omagh bomb. Once again Rinty you excel yourself. And once again you have spoken volumes  Cheers mate.
And your not being defensive. I believe you Rinty,but thousands wouldn't 
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| Rinty |
tWhat shocks me Congal, is that some people cannot free themsleves from the "them and us" interpretation of Ulsters history. Its what holds us back. |
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| Congal |
But still, you never mentioned the broken bodies. Those tore to pieces,so much so, that they couldn't even find their bodies in some cases.
And yet...yet your concern is over McGuinnes. I find that truly amazing....or maybe not. I think I know where your coming from Rinty
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| Rinty |
yRidiculous and you know it, my concern was over a biased video claiming genocide. The point about McGuiness was made as it highlights that you and the author of the video see no distinction between any Mick.I didnt mention any torn bodies in any posts, what do you want me to say? The provisional Ira's campaign was a disgrace, they were tinpot bully generals taking advantage of their own people and killing many others. The Real Ira and the likes who carried out Omagh are even worse, there was not even a pretence of a political argument and peace would be their undoing and thats why they wanted to block any moves to peace. The loyalist paramilitaries were equally as bad but more ethnically based aiming at people purely because of religion or ethnicity. If they had had theh funding or organisation of the IRA they would have killed more than the 1,000 that they did. |
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| Congal |
Re: y
Well that absolute nonsense. Do you think that I really believe that all Roman Catholics are the same as McGuinnes and his 'boyos' Well if you do you are completely wrong. Churchill might have played the orange card. But from what I can see and hear. There are a lot of people love to play the sectarian card. Nobody as far as I'm aware has come on here defending loyalist para-military goups. One man has praised one loyalist para-military. And that I guess a knee-jerk reaction to rfb's praise of his cohorts. |
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| macnumpty |
And you will notice that we have made no attempt to suppress that praise, and also how little has been made of it by other people. | ||||
| Congal |
Maybe other people can see what it was....a kneejerk reaction to rbk's post It is only one man's opinion about another man. That man [if he appears] can answer for himself. This man has made one post [ another the same]. Unlike rfb who has made numerous posts about the 'brave boyos' of the ra. I don't think there is any real comparision. But I think it would be a good idea if big jock does return and maybe starts making numerous posts in praise of loyalist para-militaries. I think that would be comparing like with like. As I say big jock can speak for himself I'm sure. But I believe it could have been a knee-jerk reaction after reading rfb's post. As I said he is being deliberately provocative and some people will answer in kind.. Your gonna bum and blow and sympathise with the 'brave boyos'. So I'm gonna sing the praises of a loyalist. As I said it was his[rfb's] post that decided me to post up...'The Belfast Child' site. He has a site for his band, which was originally named after an ira gunman. I was gonna post the 'Belfast Child' up then [and thats a good while ago],but decided against it. But now [probably a knee-jerk reaction too] I went ahead and posted it. |
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| Rinty |
yBig Jock could do that if he wanted, he would and should face debate and crticism as rfb has done (especially if he nmaintains the rdidculous genocide line). The difference in this instance was that people were calling for censorship and a ban on rfb's post rather than have the ability to debate it. |
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| Congal |
Re: y
As I've said I can understand them people feeling as they do. And as I've also said its probably a knee-jerk reaction to the 'mouthings' of rfb. I to felt a wee bit mad with his CONSTANT glorification of a bunch of gangsters and murderers. But then, as I should know by now......they love playing the victim. The MOPE syndrome. So the cry of discrimination would soon go up. Better just lettin him ramble on about his 'heroes'. People can see for themselves then what he is. |
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| parkhead_rfb |
Re: y
you seem very good at just having the same wee rants over and over than answering debates as well. as rinty pointed out omagh had nothing at all to do with mcguiness so why would he be shown? its a false political message on that video rather than any genuine feelings about what happened. that video uses omagh as a political football and doesnt even link it accurately. you really should asses your standar of debating its childish at best, many on here may not agree with me but at least i post reasonably sourced facts to attempt to substantiate anything i say. all you do is make off the top of your head ranting statements and then when asked for proof decry people for asking or post some piece of partisan nonsense that Billy mcunionist wrote once in the keep ulster british enquirer. try and stick to the facts instead of ranting about this mope thing you have constructed. |
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| Congal |
The Belfast Child.....a brilliant site. Shows up the ira for what they are. | ||||
| parkhead_rfb |
why link mcguinnes to an event he had nothing whats so ever to do with? |
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| Congal |
Why not. They are the two top men in republicanism. So what about the other scenes. I take it you agree with them being shown. Face up to what you all are. Don't try to hide it behind some cloak of patriotism. At least Sean O Callaghan admitted his guilt,and even he was sickened by the murders and carnage of the brave boyos of the ra. What about the doggie people. I suppose the Collie Club was a part of the British war machine. Maybe they were policed trained dogs,carrying secret messages in their dog collars. 
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