Bury Lenin's body says Gorbachev

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Bury Lenin's body, says Gorbachev

By Guy Faulconbridge in Moscow
Thursday, 5 June 2008

The embalmed body of the Russian revolutionary leader Vladimir Lenin should be moved from its mausoleum in Red Square and given a standard burial, the former Soviet president Mikhail Gorbachev said yesterday.

Lenin's body has been on public display in a glass case since his death in 1924. His continuing presence in the symbolic heart of Moscow has been a source of controversy since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. Lenin led the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution to found the first Communist state, which lasted for 74 years until Mr Gorbachev presided over the break-up of the USSR. Mr Gorbachev, 77, said: "My view is [that] we should not be occupied right now with grave-digging. But we will necessarily come to a time when the mausoleum will have lost its meaning and we will bury [Lenin], give him up to the earth as his family had wanted. I think the time will come."

The fate of Lenin is an emotional question in modern Russia, where the Communists are the second-biggest political party. The Orthodox Church has called for the former leader to be buried but the Communists says the father of the Soviet Union should stay put.

The first post-Soviet leader, Boris Yeltsin, spoke in favour of removing the mausoleum but strong pro-Communist sentiment prevented him from doing so. In the end, he avoided taking a decision. Vladimir Putin also fudged the issue, saying it was emotive and hard to tackle. His successor, President Dmitry Medvedev, has not yet made his position clear.

Mr Gorbachev also called for the creation of a memorial museum to remember the millions of people killed or sent to prison under Josef Stalin, whose embalmed body lay beside Lenin's for eight years until 1961. Historians estimate that up to 27 million people in the Soviet Union suffered from Stalin's repression but he is revered by many Russians for defeating Nazi Germany and building the USSR into a superpower.

Mr Gorbachev criticised attempts to glorify Stalin and said a memorial was needed to help Russian democracy develop.

He said the museum should be set up in what was one of the most notorious Soviet detention centres – the Butyrka prison in Moscow. Among those who spent time there was the dissident and writer Alexander Solzhenitsyn.

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Lenin is a secular 'saint' to the Communists - so why would he want to be seen as embracing a 'backward religion to keep the masses down' by being buried in some sort of religious ceremony.

Lenin and his ideals don't need to be binned, just because his movement failed.

I don't see a winning arguement to remove his body.

He helped to change the world, for good or ill, but the Russian Orthodox Church want a way to remove his remains. Once he's gone from view, he can be reduced in time, to a footnote, in the minds of the religious.
If they have to see his atheist/workers revolutionary corpse everytime they go into that part of Moscow - they are reminded that other potential power bases in the country exist.

Aventinian

I don't think he should be removed simply as a result of political change, it's status and legacy still has worth. However equally, I find the whole idea of public display of corpses in this sense rather grotesque.