Dave Coull
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Petition to try Blair as a war criminalThere is a petition to have Tony Blair tried as a war criminal. Read the charges and consider the case for signing.
http://www.petitiononline.com/BWCF/petition.html
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Reluctant Hero
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... but he is "one of the most outstanding statesman of our era"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7893500.stm
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Scott2006
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http://tonyblairfaithfoundation.org
Just in case anyone wants to keep up to date with what the ex-leader of a British political tries to fill his days...
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Holebender
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Dave Coull promoting a petition... did I slip through into some parallel universe during the night?
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Lord Pitsligo
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Here's a quote from a speech that's on the site:
"Today, religion is under attack from without and from within. From within, it is corroded by extremists who use their Faith as a means of excluding the other. I am what I am in opposition to you. If you do not believe as I believe, you are a lesser human being.
From without, religious faith is assailed by an increasingly aggressive secularism, which derides faith as contrary to reason and defines faith by conflict. Thus do the extreme believers and the aggressive non-believers come together in unholy alliance."
Does that sound like delusional paranoia to anyone else?
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Holebender
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He's a nutbar.
All religions and sub-sects of religions claim to be the one true faith, the only belief system which will get you a pass into the good part of the afterlife. Therefore all believers exclude others who are not in their sect. They exclude them as far as the hell they believe is waiting for them after death.
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Dave Coull
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| Holebender wrote: | | Dave Coull promoting a petition... did I slip through into some parallel universe during the night? | Okay, I admit it, I'm not being consistent.
I'm not really convinced this will lead to Tony Blair being prosecuted for war crimes. But if it just contributes to that possibility hanging over him, and to people talking about that possibility hanging over him wherever he goes, then it's worthwhile doing, in my opinion.
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Aventinian
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| Holebender wrote: | He's a nutbar.
All religions and sub-sects of religions claim to be the one true faith, the only belief system which will get you a pass into the good part of the afterlife. Therefore all believers exclude others who are not in their sect. They exclude them as far as the hell they believe is waiting for them after death. |
That would require usurping the position of the Almighty and passing judgement on other people.
Anyway, it's not true either: there are plenty of people within established churches - even the Roman Catholic church - who are willing to concede the possibility of universal reconciliation.
| Dave Coull wrote: | | I'm not really convinced this will lead to Tony Blair being prosecuted for war crimes. But if it just contributes to that possibility hanging over him, and to people talking about that possibility hanging over him wherever he goes, then it's worthwhile doing, in my opinion. |
Tony Blair will never even hear of this petition nor will anyone else who matters.
A bit of reality here.
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agentmancuso
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| Holebender wrote: | | All religions and sub-sects of religions claim to be the one true faith, the only belief system which will get you a pass into the good part of the afterlife. Therefore all believers exclude others who are not in their sect. They exclude them as far as the hell they believe is waiting for them after death. |
Not true of Buddhism, which openly describes itself to being a finger pointing at the moon, not the moon itself.
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Holebender
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Alright then... it is true of all theistic religions. Happy now?
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agentmancuso
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All monotheistic religions certainly.
But then all monotheistic religions have a great deal else in common too, and could perhaps be said to be no more than variations on a theme - a bloodthirsty one much of the time, as you said.
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