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| darkside |
Radio Free Scotland
http://www.radiofreescotland.webhop.org/ This new online radio station launching March 2007, is aiming to deal with the current hot topic of Scottish Independence. For 300 years Scotland has been denied its democratic right to self determination. A right that most nations take for granted but we in Scotland are told that we are too stupid to run a country, or that our interests are best looked after by England. Would you let your neighbour have half your salary, access to your home and when they felt the need to, sell off your assets and not even give you any money for it? of course not but thats what has happening in Scotland for the last 300 years. We have seen Ireland, our Celtic cousins form a republic free from London rule, become the Celtic Tiger and surpassing many nations to a wealth and lifestyle that we have been denied in Scotland but have looked on in wonder. We have seen the break up of the Soviet Republic, and many of those nations have also done well, and are looking at Scotland and thinking what are they waiting for. The name Radio Free Scotland might be familiar to some in Scotland, between 1956-1965 a station by this name was broadcast through the sound channel of the BBC broadcast, after the English anthem God Save the Queen was thankfully finished after being played in its entirety. The Scottish National Party were eventually allowed to broadcast on this service. The purpose of the station is to get the facts out to Scots, no matter how much Labour lie the media still take their side. On this station no matter what colour, religion or football preference, we are all Scots and call Scotland home, Scotland should be free to determine its own future, and should be a unity, rather than a political unit for the Brits to take advantage of and rob blind whenever they please. Our great Oil wealth, Whisky revenues are squandered yearly by London, this could have helped to build a powerhouse Scottish economy. Its gone on far too long and needs to be changed to benefit Scots through independence, the only way. |
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| Reluctant Hero |
Sounds like a great idea. Every media outlet should be explored to get the Independence message across. Let's hope it works! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Aventinian |
Re: Radio Free Scotland
Neither democratic, nor a right, but all the same...
200 states, hundreds more nations...
Who ever told you that? It's not the people who run a country, it's politicians who do. But yes, people are too stupid to run any country, which is why we don't have full democracy.
What? England doesn't exist politically any more. And as for English people - who as usual are the object of your hatred - have a statistically lesser place in the UK Parliament and Government.
Governments are not people, and you don't own this country.
And yet more obsession with the English. GSTQ has never been an English anthem.
Because from the above, it's quite clear that you have a great grasp of fact.
I'm Scottish, and come from Scotland, but I'm not "a Scot".
Ie, use what ever coercion is available to supress anyone who dissents?
You're a Brit if you're a Scottish person. As are we all. You'll note you also have an equal vote.
If by 'squandered' you mean 'spent on the population and for the national good, just as in any other country' then yes. |
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| Jimbo |
I Don't think Darkside wrote that Aventinian. I think he only posted the blurb from the radio station. Unless he works for the radio station writing blurbs that is. If you'd opened the link you'd have seen that. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Aventinian |
Oh, it's alright, I don't mind whether he did or not; I just see it as my duty as someone with a finely honed bullshit detector to point out when sense is being alienated. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Babygael |
Well aventinian for some one who has a
I for one will be tuning in because I am totally fed up with listining/reading all that lying, unionist crap! The Independent message must be broadcasted for all to hear. 
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| Economist |
Re: Radio Free Scotland
How many nation states in 1945? How many nation states today? What's the difference between the two periods?
Oh, twaddle. England exists politically, in the same way Scotland existed politically prior to 1999, even though it had no legislature or government of its own
You know fine well what the approximation is.
You can speak for yourself. It seems to be yourself that has far more of a hang up about national identity, than many of us who advocate an independent Scotland. I couldn't care what you call yourself
No, it should be an independent country, with the ability to determine its on course in the world, like anywhere else. I know you come from the more extreme (or as - I prefer to call it - inconsistent) side of Unionism, but surely you can grasp that. Your own precious United Kingdom, works in this way. All we do is extrapolate that to Scotland. You seem to have great difficulty grappling with this concept as it underpins quite a lot of your anti-independence discourse. It is quite inconsistent.
Yes, what exactly do we have to show for it? |
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| Karenisabitch |
Aventian - you are a chump.
Are you Bill Walker in disguise? Oh I do think so! Miaoww!! |
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| Aventinian |
Indeed...
I can't think of any occasion where I've lied in my adult life. The fact that you have to accuse me of it just shows how much of a politically illiterate half-wit you are. |
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| Aventinian |
Re: Radio Free Scotland
A good few more, I'd imagine. But of course, as I've said, very few true nation-states exist. It still doesn't make it normal.
Scotland did have status, and it did have an executive of its own in the shape of the Scottish Office. England has never been recognised in this way. The nearest thing is the jurisdiction of England and Wales.
I know fine well how you will use emotive terms to deceive the simple-minded.
My national identity is my own affair. I am not a Scot - that is an ethnic and cultural term, and one which I imagine a real Scot would point out I have nothing in common with being an English-speaking lowlander. Either way, of course you could care. That's the reason most of you are on here: you don't like the fact that most people in Scotland consider themselves British.
As even your allies on this board have admitted, I am always consistent - perhaps to a fault, as it is something I have been criticised for here. I am by no means extreme - I am simply a liberal, putting forward liberal policies. And as I've said many times before, I do not have to support the present structure of the UK to be against Scottish nationalism. That's a ridiculous assumption to make.
A state that has educated you, provided you with healthcare, been there to feed and clothe you if you cannot or will not do so yourself, keeping our borders free of invasion, preventing the rise of fascism or totalitarianism, using its force to protect you instead of persecute you. I'm sure you'd notice if we didn't have these things. The Pax Britannica has been incredible in the time it has managed to sustain liberty and the standard of life on these islands - and barely anybody bothers to recognise it because they're all too busy wondering who's going to do something more for them. |
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| Economist |
Re: Radio Free Scotland
Quite a few more exist actually. I would imagine most of them didn't have the advantage that Scotland has - the luxury of being independent for the majority of their existence - which of course Scotland was prior to its entry into the Union. Thus many of Scotland's civic institutions (and the key word here is Civic) are derived from that time. Independence is a perfectly normal state of affairs from the individual citizen, upwards.
Nonsense. Prior to devolution there was only one Executive - the British one, Scotland had no Executive of its own. You are right, England wasn't recognised as an appendige to the UK and governed in such a way. Lucky it.
It isn't intended to deceive anyone.
I'm glad you recognise that.
Honestly, Aventinian, they don't. I don't know where you get this guff from. You seem to be equating "British" with support for the Union and "Scottish" with support for independence. You, surely, must be able to see the intellectual bankruptcy of that argument.
I thought you didn't support the current structure of the UK, in much of your discourse you seem to be opting for a radical shake up leading to federation and the like. That moves away from the unitary state we even have under devolution. Ergo, you don't support the current structure of the UK. Did you change your mind when it was pointed out, that such a change would fatally wound the UK you wish to protect? Comprehend it and think about it. Look at any independent country, nation-state - extrapolate that to Scotland, that is what a lot of us are arguing for. Certainly nationalism does play a part of that, but in the same way as those who argue for the retention of the United Kingdom. Ethnicity and other associated things do not play a part of that.
Well, I mean this is hardly unique amongst well-developed western countries is it?
I'm sure I would. But that wasn't the point that was being made. |
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| Aventinian |
Re: Radio Free Scotland[quote="Economist"]
It couldn't have been any more administratively separate while maintaining the one legislature. In reality, "administrative devolution" as it was called then did effectively devolve all executive powers.
I had a friend who was a legitimate Scot, a Gael, and he made this point to me.
Why else would you have an ideological commitment to a Scottish state regardless of its usefulness? And it's not a difficult conclusion to come to, in fact quite a few posters here regularly make statements to this effect. I'd be far more respectful of Scottish nationalism if it wasn't so insecure in terms of the identity it wishes to portray.
Yes, that's what I said, all of that. But no, I can't say I agree that federalism (or at least effective federalism) would fatally damage the UK.
Very few people do argue for the United Kingdom in its present structure. If they did, and we were particularly Nationalist about it, I doubt we'd ever have entered the European Community. It certainly takes some greater belief to argue against the status quo than for it.
And you should be thankful that you happened to be born a citizen of one of those well-developed western countries - probably the most decent on earth. |
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| notbritish |
I didnt catch the first 90 mins of the first Radio Free Scotalnd show (was watching the Basques knock the Brits out of the EUFA cup.)
But here's a link to the last 20-30mins of the show in MP3 format, including the Tartan Specials, a plug for the Indy First march, and some free advertising for the Heb Bar. Great show. Will be listening regular. http://rapidshare.com/files/21066...d_Extract_14_3_07_Mar_14.mp3.html (If ya go to link, scroll down the page, click the FREE button, then right click on one of the download links and use SAVE AS.... boabs yer uncle. The MP3 file is about 18MB) |
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| darkside |
listen just now till 11pm
http://87.117.226.61/rfs/listen.html |
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| darkside |
on tonight from 9pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| George |
Will check this out....thanks. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| George |
Quite... |
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| darkside |
On air in 9 minutes | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| George |
Oh, I simply couldn't resist reproducing this gem.
There is a specific type of individual who would be expected to make this kind of statement, here's a clue.............................. 'David Icke'. |
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| wisnaeme |
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I have just been listening to part of tonights belated broadcast ( delayed by technical problems ) and although no one can doubt the presenter's heart or sincere convictions, the amateurism of it made me cringe. Surely amongst Scottish professional talent in this field of broadcasting, there must be folk who will volunteer their professional services and time in a good cause. A respected media professional once said about programme production, that content and context are important but presentation is all. I didn't really want to say that about the standards of presentation but I must be honest. Those unionist morons must be pishing themselves laughing if they're listening in and I would be the last person that would want to gift the unionists something to ridicule or smirk about. 
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| darkside |
Did i see you making the time and effort in getting it up and running? We are a young station and once word get's out we will expand we are in a learning process here. But thanks for your comments they have been noted and thanks for the feedback
Saor Alba |
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| Firefox |
So let me get this straight... if you want to try something: you have to make sure that you are fully professional before things get done? It's the third broadcast. They've done a hell of a lot from a standing start and I commend them for that. From the third broadcast you were expecting maybe Radio One for Independence? I don't see any of the pro-independence parties trying this out. Ordinary Scots did and are learning along the way. Give them a chance. I've listened to three broadcasts (tonights being the third) and have heard a marked improvement all the way. Content, style, music and presentation have all improved. It's gotten better as time has went on. I'm guessing that it will get better. I know it will. I can tell from what I'm hearing. I know some of the same backstory that Darkside is referring to (but not quite as much as DS) and have to say that in such a short period such a regular and decent broadcast is commendable. Wisnaeme, I've read your posts on here and that post you just made doesn't do you justice. Sure, RFS right now is a bit cathartic but that's not a bad thing. It actually demonstrates a reality behind the event. It shows that ordinary people want to do things on the internet that are extraordinary. |
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| friseal |
Like Darkside said, this is a new station and technical glitches and nerves are to be expected and will be sorted in time.
120 listeners this evening, double last time. |
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| Aventinian |
Sorry, I didn't catch it. Seems that I missed a trick, eh? Got a wee laugh from the attempts at spelling 'independence' on the second video of the media section of that website. |
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| Aventinian |
Yes George, an honest and mature one. |
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| George |
There now Aventinian, sit back, relax and tell me when this all began.................... |
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| Stiubhart O'Daighre |
Any chance of an archive section on the website? I keep missing it!
I tried to "tune in" for the one on Wednesday, but there seemed to be some sort of problem with the site. |
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| wisnaeme |
Firefox: For a while now we have had nothing but negative campaigning from the unionists. New Labour has got this down to a fine art and the cretins are now asking us to vote for them on the premise that they need more time to make things better , conveniently putting aside the disasterous policies and serious mistakes which we have become accustomed to them making in their stewardship of our country.
We have only a few weeks to the May elections in Scotland and it is a cruel fact of life and politics that we who have aspirations to nationhood and independence cannot afford the luxury of precious time to get better,to improve. That turn of phrase " getting better" should be banned from the nationalist vocabulary. It's getting better is not good enough. That our opponents use it ad nauseam is only an admission of their failure in the past and present when they had the opportunity to be good government and failed dismally. So a voice for Scotland cannot be amateurish in presentation at putting a point of veiw across. Preaching to the converted is wasted time and energy so it must be right first time and it must be profession to appeal to the undecided. Call it slick advertising if you like, whatever but it must be right first time because this is not a dress rehearsal for whenever. As many have said on this board," it's time" but not if we give the impression ( however erroneous ) that we're not really prepared and praticed in the professional skills required for it. . |
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| Aventinian |
Nonsense. 1. The SNP are just as bad, if not worse, than Labour at negative campaigning. It's a constant slagging match and both are covered in it. 2. Labour hasn't had any major disasters in governing. Even I, as a Tory, can see that. They've come out with a few attacks on personal liberty: smoking bans, proposals for ID cards etc, but generally they have improved education and health and made sure the economy ticks over fairly nicely. They've not done anything particularly wrong, they've mainly sat back and reaped the rewards of global prosperity. |
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| George |
Iraq!!, Child tax credits!!, Pensions!!, Immigration policy!!, Cash for honours!!, legalising cannabis!!..............oh, but did you only mean that their disasters hadn't affected you?..............so sorry, my mistake. |
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| Aventinian |
Maybe you'd care to watch any episode of Newsnight Scotland, the last Question Time from Scotland, or indeed FMQs.
Iraq is by no means a disaster, the objective was accomplished and we'll be able to pull out leaving behind a democratic Iraq. I don't like how it was done, but it was no disaster. Immigration policy? The only problem with that is the ridiculous rantings of racists. Cash for honours? A minor scandal involving one or two party officials, child tax credits were praised by many, cannabis hasn't been legalised and even if it had been that would be a fantastic improvement in the criminal justice system. If that's the best you can come up with, I think you've proven my point. |
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| wisnaeme |
EH? 
Dearie me, ah'm agreeing wae myself in another context now. Would you not agree,"Aventinian" 
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| Firefox |
You know what, WM, I've said the same about pro-indy orgs, so I guess I can respect your point of view. I just know how difficult producing Independence Websites is and how the early days of it can all be in vain because people are negative. What I'm saying is that in terms of RFS is that you should give it time. If there were a more professional alternative I'd paste a link, but there isn't. If oyu know of one I'd suggest you paste it. Otherwise I recommend giving RFS time to develop. |
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| Jimbo |
Oh come on Aventinian, how in any one's name can you claim Iraq is by no means a disaster. What objective was accomplished? The removal of Saddam? That was not the reason for going there as you well know. The killing of over 600,000 civilians? As you well know, that was definitely not the intent. To give them US style democracy? I don't recall Bliar saying that when giving his reasons for invading. To grab the oil? That has certainly been accomplished. This has been the biggest disaster since Vietnam and is indeed turning into the US/UK's new Vietnam. I think here you are being sensationally controversial just for the sake of being controversial. |
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| darkside |
download of last nights show now available for all.
just head for the listen in section underneath is the download link |
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| George |
On the contrary this quote rather proves the point I have made on another thread regarding your lack of debating etiquette.............your comment on Iraq further strengthens my case. |
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| darkside |
on tonight at 2100 scottish time | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| darkside |
13 minutes to go to lift off | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| SLG |
Listening now. Who's the DJ? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Firefox |
Pax is the DJ. More info is now on the website. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| darkside |
you didnt think it was me did you? |
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| SLG |
Cheers. |
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| SLG |
Haha, well I don't know what you sound like! You not fancy a wee slot yourself? You could do a fitba show! |
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| darkside |
cant get ma head wrong the decks lol, ill stick with the PR side of things at the moment. let me know your feedback ok when you've listened for a while. |
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| Jimbo |
Am I supposed to be getting this little bits at a time or am I doing something wrong? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Firefox |
You're doing something wrong. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| SLG |
You do have boradband aye? |
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| Jimbo |
Yes |
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| SLG |
Well it's coming through fine for me. |
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| Jimbo |
Got it. I had my streaming switched off. OK now. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| darkside |
how did you manage that? |
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| Jimbo |
Cos I'm shyte at this kind of thing. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| darkside |
no a meant how did you switch it off or on |
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| SLG |
240 listeners - pretty good considering.
Enjoyed the show. Music good - seems to be pretty interactive. Will try and get a couple of requests in myself next time I listen. Not sure Friday night is such a good night though! Only other thing I would suggest is that when Pax gets into a long monologue, it can be a wee bit much. Might be good if there was a second person in the studio just to break it up a wee bit and have a wee bit of banter inbetween. Well done to everyone involved though 
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| Jimbo |
Dunno. When I R/clicked on my player it said do you want streaming to cont'. An' that's how I got the proper broadcast. Prior to that I was picking it up in small doses. It's not a part of my computer that I use much. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Jimbo |
Totally agree. There was a point when I thought that he needed someone else to play off of but hey, it's getting there. Pay no attention to the knockers Darkside, you're doing it, they're not. Good luck. PS Any chance you could reduce the size of the Radio Free Scotland Ad a little to save me scrolling from side to side on my page? |
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| darkside |
Broadcast tonight at 9pm, we are redesigning the banner as well for our sigs. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| darkside |
Broadcast will be at 10pm tonight due to the football. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| darkside |
28th March available for download here | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||