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| sandmountainslim |
Rise UpRise up, O Alba! Rise up, O Ulster! Rise up, O Mannin! Rise up, OCymru! Rise up, O Kernow! Rise up, O Breizh! Rise up, O Celtic peoples, and throw off the yoke of the Saxon overlords! -D. Ray Perdue Jr. |
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| ENGLISH JEW |
Whoops, you forgot to ask US ENGLISH to RISE UP 
some of us aren't saxon you know |
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| azzuri |
Re: Rise Up
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| sandmountainslim |
I wasn't quoting myself 
I am sure that Perdue wasn't lumping Non-Saxon Englanders in with the Saxon hordes however 
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| Morph |
am sorry who is Perdue> forgive my ignorance | ||||
| sandmountainslim |
D. Ray Perdue Jr. Editor of OpenDoor Newsletter and Director of Regional Zone 2 for the CPNC as well as founder of URASS (United Revival Against SaxonS). He is a good guy, a good writer and an outstanding Scotch-Irish patriot here in America. Perdue is pretty pissed off about the invasions of the fifth century and I can't blame him for that. Deo Vindice WP |
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| Shadowman |
How can you be a patriot of one country if you choose to live in another? That's worse than Sean Connery advocating Scottish independence from Barbados. |
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| sandmountainslim |
I believe you misunderstand my language, when I say a "Scotch-Irish Patriot" I am refering to the Scotch-Irish here in the Appalachia not to Ulster-Scots: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scots-Irish_American http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian_English The Scotch-Irish of our region have our own culture, dialect and ideals, I mean that Ray and others like him are fighting to preserve our heritage against an onslaught of Political Correctness and folks moving here who wish to destroy our culture. Many are also into Pan-Celtic Nationalism in a similar way as the Celtic League is in Europe. Sorry if I wasn't plain enough about that
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| George |
With ease, I lived in London for 11 years and considered myself a Scottish patriot. You can actually have a love and passion for your country even when you are not there......honest.
It isn't worse, it's essentially the same..........or alternatively every bit as understandable given the way Scotland is treated by Westminster. |
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| sandmountainslim |
Compatriots,
I am pleased to share with you the latest poem written by ScotWatch's Minister Of Information and Editor of ODN , D. Ray Perdue Jr. Deo Vindice WP O Celtica Arise! The English said, join us and come, You now find yourself 'neath Saxon thumb. History and heritage are taken away, By the revisions the Saxons spray. The time has come for all Scots to say, Alba shall not be held under Saxon sway! She shall be free as in days of old, The story of freedom shall again be told, Rise up, O Alba! Your southern brethren have gone their way, But the Saxon masters say you must stay! Your language is forbidden to learn, Your Celtic heritage you must spurn. But English you can never be, Ulster must once again be free! Shout and sing across the land, You will not be slaves to Saxon hands! Rise up, O Ulster! A proud example you have been, Measures of freedom, you did win. But the Saxons still control your soil, For them you sweat, and you toil. And Mannin, too, can freely proclaim, And proudly bear your Celtic name. The Saxons masters shall leave your isle, Upon your faces shall come a smile, Rise up, O Mannin! Revival of your tongue has spread, Giving the Saxons fear and dread. Cymru's Red Dragon waves once more, To quicken your heritage and princely lore. Yet the Saxons refuse to give you peace, And dwell forever in sweet release. So boldly you must rise and say, The Saxon lords must go away! Rise up, O Cymru! Saxon fingers point to your flag, You cannot fly that ugly rag! You must remove it now, they say, Or a fine of many pounds you'll pay. The hateful Saxons have pushed enough, It's time for Kernow to get tough, Push the Saxons from your borders, Never more obey the Anglo's orders. Rise up, O Kernow! All Celtic people, hear my words, Throw off the yoke of Saxon overlords! Rise up as one, and together unite, Restore your freedom, it's your right! We will be defeated, one by one, Together we shall make the Saxons run! Back to Germany, from whence they came, And live in fear of the Celtic name. Rise up, O Celtica! By D. Ray Perdue, Jr. © Copyright 2006 Ray Perdue |
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| Blackadder |
Shades of The Dark Ages!!!!
I thought I'd read enough of this kind of nonsense when the Romans left and your ancestors all fought each other more than they did the Invaders. In fact that's how the Saxons, Angles and Jutes mostly won. A few pitched battles ... then sat back and watched the squabbling Celts destroy all their hard-won gains ... by being themselves. And you would do it again??? Why else do you think the Scots are found all over the world??? Because if they had stayed here ... they would have wiped each other out in clan wars and civil rebellions. The Celts dominated Northern Europe for centuries but never coalesced into a united Empire capable of national conquest. Because they would fight each other at the drop of a pin ... ANY PIN! Scotland unite indeed! In the words of the great McGonagal ... "Mah erse!" The only thing rising ... is my gorge ... 
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| Theresa |
sandmountainslim wrote:
POWERFUL! And shows true allegiance to the bardic tradition. May I pass this poem along to friends? (Giving proper credits, of course!) |
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| Lothian Sky |
Pardon me for saying this, but I think someone has too much time on their hands! | ||||
| Morph |
I dont understand why he's taking such an oppinion on the matter and being so patriotic but in the same vien as Shadowmans comments choose not to live here. It seems all weel and good him telling Scotland to rise up but what contribution does he make? | ||||
| IF Convenor |
Now now, someone has to keep the armchairs warm for when we need a rest from the struggle.
That poem, song, doggerel, whatever was bowfin. |
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| sandmountainslim |
Perdue has said that anyone may pass it along anywhere, he also encourages singing it as a hymn. Translating it into other tongues is encouraged also. WP |
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| Blackadder |
What the bloody hell is going on in some minds??? We're all capable of lousy unthinking blind patriotism at times ... and O Celtica Arise is highly indicative of someone needing to see a psychiatrist! Been reading too much Tranter methinks!!! | ||||
| sandmountainslim |
I must be in the minority.
I think that it is a good song/poem and that it expresses the things which ALL nationalists truly feel. As I have said earlier, perhaps you just don't like poetry which is ok as there is no rule saying that you have to appreciate fine art . I am also in the minority in that I do not enjoy Shakespeare. WP |
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| IF Convenor |
You're also on the wrong side of the Atlantic. That's the reason for the gulf between us, our cultural backgrounds are completely different. | ||||
| Theresa |
Sandmountainslim wrote:
Ah laddie, ah'll stan wi ye! Specially since we're both on tha wrong side 'o the pond! Besides, poetry is part of a national movement too, and expresses in better words that which cannot be expressed fully in prose. |
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| Avatar |
"I must be in the minority.
I think that it is a good song/poem and that it expresses the things which ALL nationalists truly feel. As I have said earlier, perhaps you just don't like poetry which is ok as there is no rule saying that you have to appreciate fine art . I am also in the minority in that I do not enjoy Shakespeare. " well thats a bit condescending isnt it? implying that just because people disagree with the content of the poem they have no appreciation of "fine art" as you put it - I would challenge you to prove that poetry is of any more worth than any other form of art. |
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| IF Convenor |
I challenge you to show that doggerel was poetry, let alone fine art. | ||||
| sandmountainslim |
Well, I MYSELF like poetry better than oil paintings etc. but that is not to say that poetry is superior to other art forms.
Some people would tell you that Percy Shelley is more important than Syd Barrett which just goes to show that a great divide exists in the community. I enjoy Ray Perdue's writings and so do many other people, just because it may not be popular in this place doesn't mean that it isn't praised elsewhere by people who are every bit the art critics that you folk seem to be. Deo Vindice WP |
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| Shadowman |
True allegiance to the bardic tradition? You've obviously spent too much time reading about Scottish history, rather than the Scotland of today. I for one can't imagine a single Scot singing such a song "as a hymn" without bursting into hysterics, or looking exceedingly embarrassed (both unionists and nationalists alike). Whatever we think Scotland's ideal political condition would be, I think we can all agree that such overblown and inaccurate sentiments (mostly to make the rhyming couplets fit) have no place in modern Scotland, and do nothing to increase the credibility of Scottish nationalism. |
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| Theresa |
Good grief! This thread is so overblown it's incredible. Must be a sign of the times that instead of responding, people react.
If folks don't like the poem, doggerel, whatever, that's fine. What I find astounding is the hostility to a few simple lines of expressed thought. Nobody's force-feeding here. Shadowman wrote:
Shadowman, I have yet to experience the pleasure of visiting your country, and I very much look forward to it. However, I would maintain that the Scotland of today certainly doesn't exist in a vacuum; it's historicalliy based. My opinion of Sandmountainslim's posting wasn't meant to be literal or romantically sentimental. This is probably difficult to believe -- coming from an American -- but the last thing in my mind is to impose my perception of what Scotland should look like and how independence should be lived out. And rest assured, the Independence March on September 30th has my full support. I look forward to hearing about its success, and hope you will favor me with a rich description. |
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| sandmountainslim |
Yes,
You would think from the responses that I had posted a Manifesto Of Independence
A simple poem written by my friend and meant to inspire pride if possible. I also am in support of the march and look forward to reading a description and know that it shall be a successful event. Deo Vindice WP |
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| Reluctant Hero |
Whilst everyone might have thought it was demeaning the independence effort because D. Ray Perdue Jr. was based so far away, I think it summed up the sentiments perfectly.
If you want to slag a piece of poetry off, slag my feeble effort http://ourscotland.myfreeforum.org/ftopic2102.php |
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| carol |
LOL I didn't quite slag your masterpiece, there's obviously room for improvement 
Carol |
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| Reluctant Hero |
You were just being nice
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| carol |
yeh I know
Rather you than me I'm useless at lyrics etc Carol |
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| sandmountainslim |
While I am not a professional critic, I think your poem is pretty decent 
More people should learn to attempt literature. Kurt Cobain "Took pride as the King of Literature" and if HE can do it anyone can. Deo Vindice WP WP |
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