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| azzuri |
Salmond backing DotScot web name...Salmond backing DotScot web name
see full story - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7782273.stm There's absolutely no reason why everyone shouldn't be behind this campaign. Great way to promote Scotland as an international brand and a tourist destination. |
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| Cruachan |
Re: Salmond backing DotScot web name...Azurrie said "There's absolutely no reason why everyone shouldn't be behind this campaign. Great way to promote Scotland as an international brand and a tourist destination."True, and it gets my vote, but I read somewhere a while ago that there is a movement to establish new sets of domains including .me and .I and other more personalised addresses. Interesting part of the individual v. the collective identity debate. Out of interest who is the body that decided this and is it linked to inter-governmental bodies or is it some some kind of e-entrepreneur who "owns" the domains? |
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| Aventinian |
Re: Salmond backing DotScot web name...
ICANN. It's essentially a charity. The functions of assigning such things was essentially transferred to it from the US Government in the late 90s. |
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| Scotland86 |
Well after the 2010 referendum "yes" vote we will need a domain anyway as we will no longer be part of the 301 year old failure that is the Union therefore we will no longer be a part of the united kingdom | ||||||
| Aventinian |
I've said it before and I'll say it again, for people who claim such security in their beliefs, you certainly feel the need to publicly reassure yourselves of them rather more than may otherwise be expected... So, how do you intend to get this referendum in 2010 then? |
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| azzuri |
I really hope this happens, if only to register www.our-scotland.scot ! 
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| Scotland86 |
Its called a compromise on policies within the Scottish government aven. Lets think about it for a second. Labour and the Tories are extremely unlikely to back a referendum. But that when is told on the news is just going to affect there standing within Scotland as the Scots will see them as trying to ignore there wishes. Where as the Liberals who are always behind Labour and the Tories in voter numbers will see this as a good way to get new followers and i feel they will work with the SNP along with the Greens to put through a bill for a referendum | ||||||
| Aventinian |
Let's say the Lib Dems did decide to back a referendum bill - they would only do so based on some rather grand concessions from the SNP. One of these, I would imagine, is a three-option poll. I doubt even Salmond would claim to be able to win something like that. The inevitable result is quite simply a massive set back for Scottish nationalism. Moreover, of course, the Labour Secretary of State and the Tory Presiding Officer have the right to prevent a referendum bill even being heard as it is quite arguably outwith the competence of the Scottish Parliament: if they were to even refer it to the Privy Council for adjudication then the delay itself may even cause it not to be heard until after the next Scottish Parliamentary election. Never mind the fact that it might quite simply be considered illegal. |
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| Aventinian |
I think .sco would be the more likely one. It's a longer established campaign and better fits into the stuff like .cat. Although it's worth noting that for all the comparisons with .cat, that is generally used for cultural websites and websites in the local language - Scotland doesn't have a separate language. |
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| Scotland86 |
Do you think that poeple would sit back and just allow Westminster to "ignore" a majority vote to hold a referendum. there would be a hell of alot or repercussions | ||||||
| Aventinian |
Ah, I like this one: trust me, you're not the first Cybernat to use it. The frankly ludicrous suggestion that any slight against Scottish Nationalism will somehow cause the people to rise up in valiant insurrection against the State. In the real world, however, that just won't happen: and I think on some level most Nationalists know that. |
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| Scotland86 |
I think you need to look at the severity of what is being asked. heres the scenario. The SNP and Greens along with party "X" back a referendum. Therefore a referendum is held in 2010 as stated by the SNP the majority vote shows a "yes" vote but Westminster say we are ignoring this referendum and the Union will stick. First off the people of Scotland would be mightily pissed off not only the Nationalists but also the people who now know that Westminster really doesnt care about the peoples wishes. Then the EU would step in and im also pretty sure the US would have a few words to say. | ||||||
| Red Justice |
Solidarity and I presume the SSP also back a referendum.
I would wait to see if and how the referendum bill gets passage through Holyrood. Let us hope it does but nothing in parliamentarian politics is guaranteed. I support a referendum and would think the London ruling elite would be foolish to ignore the result of any independence referendum. I also support the DotSCO initiative. Newsletters I get from Solidarity have a DotSCO link. I look forward to a dot.sco or dot.scot domain for Scotland. |
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| Holebender |
Solidarity and the SSP may support a referendum, but they are not in any position to vote for one in the Scottish Parliament at the moment. | ||||||
| Red Justice |
What is that got to do with the discussion? If you want a referendum and yes vote and independence you will have to look further beyond your nose than the SNP.
The support of all Scottish people is required not just Eck and his MSPs |
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| Holebender |
Aw gee and there was me thinking it was a question of getting a bill passed in the Scottish Parliament during 2010. That requires the votes of 65 MSPs, and the SSP and Solidarity have how many MSPs between them in the current Parliament? | ||||||
| Red Justice |
The parliamentary route is a hurdle I agree that Alex and the SNP can work through.
But during any of this process I would consider public support or enthusiasm from groups or political parties not represented in Holyrood is surely to be welcomed? |
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| Scotland86 |
Red Justice i have quite quickly come to the conclusion that you dont have a clue, either that or you have totally misread the post. The fact is that before anyone in the public get a say on a referendum it needs to go through the Scottish government. meaning that the SNP the Greens one independent and a Unionist party would need to back it hence the party "X" comment. As stated the SSP and solidarity currently hold a massive 0 seats so there say means nothing in passing this bill. | ||||||
| Red Justice |
You nationalist hangers on are clueless. The opinions of everyone including parties or groups is very important when the bill is getting passage through parliament. The media are going to be very interested.
Anyway continue being naive and arrogant it is what is so self-defeating about the nationalists. |
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| Scotland86 |
Red Justice you are clueless. You may aswell say that the BNP's oppinion also matters in the passage of the bill | ||||||
| Red Justice |
Just as I said arrogant you even bring the BNP into the discussion!
OK forget public opinion just consider the needs of Alex and the MSPs and don't complain if public opinion does not satisfy you come presentation and possible passage of the bill. If you are going to support parliamentary politics at least consider outside views and public opinion. |
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| Scotland86 |
No your missing the point. The view of the people has nothing to do with a bill being passed. That comes down to elected politicians voting therefore parties with no elected members in the parliament do not get a say in whether a bill is passed. | ||||||
| Red Justice |
When the Bill gets presented to the Scottish Parliament it is going to be news in the media and opinion polls will be conducted. It will even hit the UK news.
The views of the public, pressure groups and non represented parties will be very significant as soon as this hits the headlines. The role of the SNP is significant in Holyrood I agree but so is public opinion. |
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| Aventinian |
That sort of person is saying the same over the Lisbon Treaty ratification and the lack of a referendum. Yet, shockingly, no
Ah, so we're moving on from the Massed Rabble of Auld Reekie and moving to the next Deus ex machina, the EU. Tell me, what are the EU going to do?
Yes, US Government, those great supporters of destroying Britain... |
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| agentmancuso |
We do. Which is quite different from resigning ourselves to having to use parliamentary politics because our fantasies of revolution have evaporated. |
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| Scotland86 |
Well Aven im pretty sure i heard a few year back that the EU would acknowledge a "yes" vote in a Scottish independence referendum meaning that if Westminster was to block it. The EU would have some very important words, i aint going to say what i think they would do because the truth is i dont know. There is all kinds of options that they could take.
The US funded the IRA so dont tell me that they are all for the UK |
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| agentmancuso |
It's a fundamental error to confuse the people with the government. Especially when only a tiny minority of the people are concerned, as in the above example. |
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| Craig McGill |
Re: Salmond backing DotScot web name...I wrote about this back in 2000 and nothing was done then despite a lot of chat from politicians, so the odds are that the status quo will stay the same.Besides, most companies and people will still want a dot com ending to their domain as that has been shown to be what people remember (though of course, it's moot if you search through Google)
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