scotland fans smashing up italian restaurant

parkhead_rfb · scotland fans smashing up italian restaurant

L'arisoto in glasgow took a fair old beating last night.

still though at least it was done by those cheekie tartan army chappies so it was all in good fun.

SLG · Re: scotland fans smashing up italian restaurant

Aventinian

I was actually rather disappointed to hear the Italian national anthem and the team booed in a Glasgow pub.

sgmillerton · Re: scotland fans smashing up italian restaurant

Rinty

"i remember those jolly craicsters/fans of eire who thought it would be fun to make nazi salutes at the arriving israeli team a few years back."

the words of a hibs fan who is immune to the petty twisted logic of old firm bigots!

Rinty

"it was done by those cheekie tartan army chappies"

was it? I had assumed that it was done by a bunch of idiots, probably drunk, who the tartan army would be ashamed of.

sgmillerton

parkhead_rfb · Re: scotland fans smashing up italian restaurant

Rinty

"no, i'm sure you would agree that mr rfb was trying to take the moral high ground, knowing his love of all thing o oirish it was just a small reminder of very unfortunate events."

So you weren't doing what a typical old firm bigot would do by point scoring?

Dont make me laugh miller, your hibee veneer was thin and has now worn away.

Parkie doesnt support the Irish team or people who throw fascist salutes. Likewise the tartan army and scotland supporters on this forum dont support smashing italian restuarants.

The rest of us comment on parkies comments re the tartan army while you, as usual, want a typical old firm 'twisted logic' debate. The twisted logic that says you can justify one groups actions by citing similar nonsense from a rival group.

Of course Mr Miller, it would be better if you reverted to your original name of trueblue, the name we all knew you as first and the name that you got you banned from the site for racism, it would all be easier and it would mean that you could relax and stop trying to keep up the neutral hibs fan sham.

William_Cleland

Probably shouldn't be surpring that SF/IRA supporters would be aligned with pro-Nazi sentiments given Sean Russell's escapades during WWII:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Se%C3%A1n_Russell

Here's what happened before the RoI vs Israel game in case anybody didn't hear about it at the time.

http://www.jewishtelegraph.com/ire_4.html

JIHAD IN DUBLIN

Published Friday, June 10, 2005

Rob Harris reports from Dublin on the Palestinian rally that turned nasty, overshadowing the World Cup match

THE blazing afternoon sun is beating down and youngsters with kaffirs wrapped round their heads mimic Palestinian terrorists, drawing on the full power of their small voices to scream anti-Israel slogans.

"Victory to the intifada," shouts one, perched on his father's shoulders as a megaphone is thrust into his face. Another clutching a "death to Israel" placard, is encouraged to join in with the chanting hundreds.

Slowly it forms into a sea of Palestinian flags and banners; the baying crowd's animosity towards the Jewish State is unequivocal.

Incitement to hatred? Not to the police, who turn a blind eye and happily offer consent to the protesters venting their venomous spleens.

It's an all-too-familiar scene frequently played out across the Middle East. Yet these aren't the dusty streets of Ramallah or refugee camps in Gaza. Welcome to the embodiment of liberal harmonisation: 21st century Europe and one afternoon on the streets of the Irish capital.

What had been promoted as a political protest against Israeli government policy turned out to be a furious demonstration of vitriol against the State - and anyone Jewish who caught the protesters' gaze.

The Ireland Palestine Solidarity Campaign pledged it would be peaceful, but the evidence on the streets revealed far more disturbing manifestations. The timing was meticulous, coming just hours before Israel challenged Ireland at Lansdowne Road for a World Cup spot.

As the early afternoon downpour subsided, a ragbag of activists gathered at 3pm on the plaza outside Dublin's Central Bank.

The influence of non-Palestinian groups was unmistakable. The presence of Sinn Fein banners, IRA supporters and Socialist Workers' members was barely concealed. A teenager, barely 16, flogged copies of Republican newspaper An Phoblacht. A Palestinian flag was draped round his back.

Floppy-haired teenagers togged out in black Nirvana and Slipknot T-shirts arrived in search of an afternoon's 'entertainment'. They eagerly accepted placards claiming the Israeli army were responsible for the deaths of 3,600 children. Chants about the security barrier were interspersed with cackling as they mischievously adjusted the words.

Either they are unusually well informed for their age or they were just looking to stir up trouble on an otherwise mundane Bank Holiday weekend. Whatever their politics, conflict can never be a laughing matter.

Girls, who have barely finished nursery school, waved banners proclaiming Sharon to be a war criminal that their parents had cajoled into their tiny arms. Like so many generations of Irish children bedevilled by conflict, they risk being the latest young pawns in a complex political battleground.

Then there were the football fans. Celtic and Ireland shirts were encased in Palestinian flags - any tactic to incite the opposition before such a decisive match.

Mostly it was a tame affair - for such a gathering. Leaflets were handed out; flags were being flogged for 10 Euros; and the chatter between marchers was punctuated by chanting.

Until the baying crowd scented their blood: passing Israeli fans.

They had come to support their team, on the brink on an historic second-only qualification for a major international football tournament. None would talk politics, that was a matter for another day - back home. Instead they shrugged their shoulders, amazed that they were facing such animosity.

The only conflict they expected to witness was on the Lansdowne Road pitch. That changed when they came into the sights of the radar of the Palestinian supporters. Their blue stripes and Magen David flags acted like red rags to a bull.

Unprovoked, they found demonstrators squaring up to them, ranting about Israel. The travelling fans were bemused. They assumed they'd left hostilities at home, thousands of miles away. Now they were expected to act as spokesmen for Ariel Sharon, despite no-one enquiring whether they backed the Premier.

"Sieg heil! Sieg heil!" shouted one Irish fan as he proudly Nazi saluted the city's guests - scenes captured by our photographer.

All the Israelis had done was to offer a handshake as a gesture of peace, after spotting the potential flashpoint. It was declined in a forcible manner. The garda (police) response to quell the tensions? To force the Israelis out of the vicinity, as if they bore the brunt of the culpability. The rules of engagement were established.

And worse was to follow. Initially the Socialist Workers, Sinn Fein activists and Muslims reserved their condemnation for the "occupation of the Territories" and the Israeli military.

Until the marching hundreds spotted another group of Israelis. Their Budget Hyundai hire car - adorned with "Israel loves Ireland" posters - was designed to be an illustration of goodwill in this febrile atmosphere.

No chance. Hissing, booing and jeering followed. These Israelis were targeted for backing a simple, non-political message of peace. A Muslim - clad in an "end the occupation" T-shirt, a kaffir around his forehead and a Palestinian flag tied round his neck - gesticulated aggressively towards them.

A one-fingered salute made his feelings transparent: you're not welcome.

Gardai seemed to concur. Confronting the vehicle's owners, their posters promoting harmony between the two nations were confiscated and screwed up. Free speech wasn't applicable for the Israelis on Nassau Street. Their only crime was being football fans.

As one senior constable warned the fans to vacate the vicinity of the protest, without warning their vehicle was removed at speed down the street by a colleague. They were dumfounded.

An officer monitoring the protests told me: "We've been told to remove Israeli flags and banners. I don't want to be here, but I'm only doing my job."

Edging slowly towards the Embassy, a middle-aged Irish woman whipped up the crowd in a frenzy with yells of "Israel is a waste of space" into her megaphone

Passing pub-goers chanted: "Up the PLO. Up the IRA". Groups of marchers were soon echoing this. Arms raised aloft, the spectre of Nazi salutes again reared its ugly head on the route. Gardai turned a blind eye.

As the rally continued down the long road, the venomous chants built up apace. Increasingly it resembled a rally in the Palestinian territories supporting jihadist militants. There they revel in terror; here the guise was a peaceful demonstration.

When they spotted a man sporting a Republic shirt and a kippah, the police stepped in. He was a Chelsea fan from London, and had come for the weekend with friends to watch the match. Bafflingly, the garda tried to remove him from the street. When the Palestine Solidarity marchers spotted him, the response was by now sadly predictable. They turned their venom on him, despite displaying no signs of affiliation with Israel and being one of their own - an Ireland fan. The kippah was enough; this made him fair game.

Again this overt antisemitism and incitement to hatred was unchallenged.

By the time the crowd reached the Israeli embassy their blood was boiling. But as the international television crews pitched up, the speeches delivered by the Palestinian supporters were forced to take on a moderate tone.

Against a backdrop of a re-creation of the security barrier, they claimed their argument was not against Israel.

Try explaining the "waste of space" and "victory to the intifada" yells that reverberated around Dublin. They called for the aerial attacks on Palestinians to stop. Then issued a plea for bombers of their own.

One became suspicious of my presence, having followed them on foot for nearly three hours.

"Your sort aren't welcome," the Muslim protester angrily informed me - assuming that I was Israeli.

At 5.20pm as the crowd dispersed could Dublin now prepare for the main event, a World Cup qualifier?

WITH the clock counting down until kick-off, the strains of Hevenu Shalom Aleichem and Am Yisrael Chai struck up at the rear of the Israeli Embassy. A small group of flag-waving Israel fans began passionately expressing their support.

Some were Irish Christian Friends of Israel, others had made the trip across the Irish Sea and later fans from the Jewish State upped the tempo with festivities and flag waving.

In an instant, the atmosphere was soured when a break-off from the Palestinian rally breached the confines of this peaceful gathering on the narrow pavement.

"A tiny crew of middle-aged motley tree huggers," remarked one observer. But with their giant flags they were determined that their presence was felt.

The Israeli team had been due to pass by the embassy to greet the travelling fans en route to Lansdowne Road, but security concerns prevented this from happening.

Meanwhile the police - so hasty preventing anyone interfering with the earlier Palestinian demo - did nothing to halt this intimidation. Palestinian supporters were allowed to heckle and taunt. One delivered repeated shouts of "Nazis".

Despite Israel fans urging them to halt the standoff, the police response was mute. The scuffles were inevitable.

One skin-headed man openly admitted to being an Irish Republican Army backer, the terrorists responsible for some of the worst violence in Ireland and Britain.

Sealed lips from watching police, despite their quick-fire interventions earlier in the afternoon against the Israelis.

The two sides remained fixed in place, eye-to-eye, flag-to-flag, until they departed for the match. As one protester packed up his placard, another poster was already in place on the reverse, campaigning for the bin tax to be axed. The bedraggled coalition had revealed their true rent-a-mob colours. On to the next demo then.

INSIDE the creaking Lansdowne Road, specks of red, green and white exposed themselves, but stewards appeared powerless to remove the Palestinian flags being hoisted in the stands.

Initially animosity was reserved for Irish Prime Minister Bertie Ahern. The Taoiseach's anthem was booed, while silence ensued throughout the Hatikva. The 600 Israel fans in the North Bucket braved the teeming rain to belt out the anthem with pride.

But within 11 minutes of the whistle the Israelis were silenced. Lethal strikes from Ian Harte and Robbie Keane appeared to wrap up the tie. Struggling to press forward, Israel didn't appear to have a chance.

On their journey through the heated streets of Dublin, the team had been distracted by a replay of last month's Champions League final. Now they desperately sought to draw inspiration from Liverpool's comeback, a feat they accomplished within six minutes of the break.

Stage one was completed by Avi Yechiel, who marked his international debut with a well-timed equaliser.

Stage two came in the second minute of injury time when Yossi Benayoun, who was being watched by Newcastle United scouts, was brought down in the penalty area. After being forced thrice to retake the spot kick, with jeering ringing in his ears, Avi Nimni displayed coolness to level the tie and edge Israel closer to the World Cup finals in Germany.

At half time fans burst into a chant of "Israel Milchamah" - Israel's army - while the Irish were in shock. In the VIP area, an ashen-faced Taoiseach faced an ecstatic Roman Abramovitch, as the Chelsea owner tucked into kosher sandwiches.

And as the tie went into a nailbiting second 45, the visitors faced a barrage of antipathy as their players fought to defend the draw. The acrobatics and apparent histrionics of goalkeeper Dudu Awat infuriated the home crowd and they never forgave him for seemingly feigning injury which led to Andy O'Brien's sending off.

If anything, it was surprising that just one red card was brandished by Greek referee Kyros Vassaras. Israel defender Shimon Gershon feared the closing stages were developing into a street fight. "Tackles and elbows were flying in everywhere," he said.

At 9.31pm, with dusk settling over Dublin, Israel secured the vital point that nudged them closer to the finals in Germany. One Israel fan summed up the mood: "For the first time in Irish history, Israel was attracting the ire and venom of the Irish public with total justification."

However, an Irish fan would not let the tension remain on the field. As Awat was sitting in the lobby at the team's hotel, a bucket of ice was hurled at the Israeli keeper, who was already suffering from a suspected broken nose.

It underlined the rage facing Israelis even before the match. And it signalled the end to a disturbing day the Irish capital would rather forget.

A city that has played witness in centuries past to the tortuous results of bloodshed was again given the oxygen to become a battleground for simmering rivalries - even in the 21st century. Even in Europe, where for one weekend Israelis hoped to find solace in sport and escape the daily traumas back home. Some chance.

RadgeJougal · Re: scotland fans smashing up italian restaurant

sgmillerton · Re: scotland fans smashing up italian restaurant

sgmillerton

Cymro

Rinty

"it was a big issue, i've no idea how you cannot know about it. as stated here, every country has it's nasty wankers. you would do well to remember that."

I didnt hear about it either, it wasnt that big an issue. As a member of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign I was aware of the protests but this is the frst time I have heard these allegations.

The Israeli football team are the focus of protests against Israel as they are promoting a 'positive image' of Israel. Meanwhile the stark contrast with the palestinian team highlights the situation over there.

At one match recently palestinian players were prevented from travelling to an away match by Israeli police . Palestine have to train across the border in Egypt and play their home matches in Qatar.

Every country does have nasty wankers, we obviously have ours, but why bring up this allegation re an Irish protest against israel that took place on the same day as a football match? It was just an ugly hamfisted point scoring exercise by a rangers supporter dressed up as a hibs man.

"rascism? are you mad?what are you on about?"

Wasn't it racism? Perhaps my memory is wrong, what did we ban you for?

sgmillerton

parkhead_rfb

sgmillerton

i wonder what the average israeli thinks of the average eire fan?

Rinty

miller, it was a palestine solidarity protest in Dublin on the day of the match, not necessarily 'eire'fans.

sgmillerton

mairead

Disappointed at and ashamed of those morons who get us all a bad name. That's the last kind of press we need.

Babygael

And all because of kicking a ball from one end of the field to the other!!

If this amount of passion for country was displayed for an Independent Scotland, would Independence be an issue now???

I guess, priorities got mixed....seriously mixed!!

mairead

Aye BG,
You are bang on. Can you imagine the sight if 52 thousand banner waving, roaring Scots would march for their independence.
It really brasses me off how loyal they all are to Scotland when it comes to football., but try to get the same folk to march for Independence in Edinburgh or Glasgow and they never turn up.

sgmillerton

carol

mairead

Oh I have attended a couple of marches Carol, Just because I just decided not to join Inde 1st., doesn't mean I didn't go to any of the marches.
Also people attended rallies and marches long before Inde 1st came into being.
I have also attended many other things as well Carol, so don't try to put me down dear, you just aren't smart enough for that.

PS. I did my first march for Independence when you were little more than a child and a lot more beside.

carol

you weren't at any Independence First marches Margaret, you've previously stated it here and elsewhere, also I would definitely have noticed if you had been

carol

The nationalist marches at Bannockburn are not independence marches

carol

sgmillerton

carol

Cymro

Cymro

sgmillerton

mairead

Carol.
I was indeed at one last year, and because you didn't see me doesn't mean I wasn't there.
Och I know lassie, you think you know everything, but you don't.
Cut the crap before the thread erupts (again) and you become all upset and unwell again.

PS. If I edit a post it is because of error or omission Carol or because someone has taken what I said and twisted it round, you know, the way you do, so expertly, when you are looking for sympathy Crying or Very sad

Last word from me on this subject but Hey Carol, feel free to ramble on as much as you like, it doesn't bother me one iota. Very Happy

carol

definitely not an Independence First one Margaret, you've made that clear plenty of times, and again I would've seen you

the depression is long term Margaret, so it doesn't really matter what sh** you throw at me

and your petty attacks regarding my health are making you look pathetic

carol

mairead

Just to clarify a few things. I was not referring to any particular group of fans in my post and certainly no reference was made to the TA army fans. Carol as usual jumps to her own conclusions, usually the wrong ones as in this case.
As to marches, I never said I was at an Inde 1st march, just that I was at a march for independence last year, so again Carol draws her own conclusion and is again in error, but I guess by now we are all used to that from her.
Fact is not something Carol is very adept at while innuendo and sniping she does with relish.

Rinty

"and you become all upset and unwell again."

Mairead,

This is unacceptable in my opinion. Using someones health problems as an attack is wrong. If Carol has had (or has) health problems it makes no difference to her oopinion and shouldnt be used, as mental health is often used, to attempt to diminish somenones points or posts.

It might be surprsing for Mairead to find out just how many leaders in our society and top academics also suffer from mental health problems.

I ask you to apologise to Carol and delete your remarks from your post.

If you refuse I will recommend to the moderators that this is unacceptable language for our forum and is an attack on all who suffere depression, anxiety and other widespread, commonplace problems. I will ask them to take action.

Aventinian

carol

........... apparently to commemorate the Battle of Bannockburn Rolling Eyes

it never has been a March for Independence

Holebender

Rinty, I may be wrong but I took Mairead's comment to mean that Carol will raise the spectre of mental illness herself during her posts in a bid for the sympathy vote as she so often does when she is losing an argument.

carol

Neil your contempt towards me has been made clear in the past, I've never yet seen you speak in my favour, and half expected that you would wade in here in Dave Coull's absence.

Margaret on numerous occasions when the ground gets tough, will use my mental state of mind to drag me through the mire

Track back some of the threads and you will find out for yourself

I'm a survivor of depression, not a victim and definitely do not look for sympathy votes

carol

Cymro

Well this thread has gone off on one now. Thanks Carol.

I took Maireads comments to mean - pity that the 50+ thousand people aren't marching for independence. There is a big difference between people being patriotic and people being nats. Of course from a pro independence point of view if would be good if that sort of support was there fore independence but that's life at the moment.

However, Carol why do you always feel the need to refer to people by their real names on here. As far as I'm concerned Holebender and Mairead are the names of the people posting on here. I feel 'outing' people on the site is not on. You may know their real names but please respect the fact that for what ever reason on this site they have descided to use a different name.

The personal issues between the group of you is irrelevent. Surely as an adult Carol you are able to discuss issues with people without making it personal.

Private messages can be used to slag each other off if thats what makes you feel good.

carol

I am familiar with both Margaret and Neil on a personal level and have not outed them as you say, neither of them hide behind pseudonymns. so please do enlighten me to who else's first name I use? also if you track back posts it will also be known to you what 'title' Neil used previously. You'll also be aware that Mairead is Gaelic for Margaret

Cymro

Well they do hide behind pseudonames - Mairead and Holebender. It may give you a bit of a power trip to let us all you know them, but personally I couldn't care less who people on here are. If a person, like yourself (I assume) chooses to use their real name on here that is their chouce, but for those who use different names (even translations of their real names) then respect that choice.

And as a person who doesn't speak Gaelic, no I wouldn't know Mairead is Gaelic for Margaret.

carol

Cymro no disrespect to yourself, if I was to 'out' them I would be plastering their full names over the forum.

Cymro

I'm sure you would. But I still feel that where people use pseudonames, people should respect that. End of

carol

yes boss

will live from Glasgow · Re: scotland fans smashing up italian restaurant

mairead

Will live from glasgow,
You are bang on there. Wherever you go they can unfortunately be found.

Corby Boy

This is the most juvenile thread I have ever read!

mairead

It started out well enough Corby boy, but got thwarted.

Aventinian

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