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Luke P
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Scotland WILL be "independent"This is my prediction. Scotland will eventually secede from the United Kingdom. It might not happen next year, but maybe next time around, perhaps 4 or 5 years later, or the time after. As I have stated ad nauseam, it won't be independent, it will merely separate from the UK. There will nonetheless be much jubilation and optimism amongst the throngs in Princes Street Gardens. There will be many saltires waving, pipe bands and comprehensive coverage on BBC red button. The Queen will give a speech mentioning regret and hope. Alec Salmond will graciously apply for membership of the Commonwealth. The Royal regiment of Scotland will be quickly reformed as the Scottish army, and continuing co-operation with the "British" army will be mentioned. BBC Scotland will be rebranded as SBC. It will continue to show the same programmes. Messages of congratulations will flood in from world leaders and mention of Scottish heritage in various parts of the world will be played up. After a flurry of national pride life will settle down pretty much as before.
There will be a short debate about whether or not to leave the EU. Scottish MPs will take a glance at the EU cash cow, glance at the idea of going it alone and give a quick "nah". Nonetheless the benefits will be disappointing as oil revenues counterbalance Scotland's claims for subsidy. There will be a short debate about reforming the fisheries policy. It will be short, and eventually for reasons unknown it will be buried in the back pages. Scotland will remain/become a full EU member and adopt the Euro. Pounds will be accepted in Scotland for a time, until the rump of the UK follows suit shortly after, the economy bruised by uncertainty by the loss of oil revenues. With Scottish secession, Welsh secession will become a real possibility and happen a while later. The Lisbon Treaty by this time will have been fully ratified and the EU will have sovereign status as a nation among the international community. It will eventually have its own president and military. The anti-EU agenda in the rump UK will be severely weakened and any possiblity of leaving will look remote indeed.
Why do I think this is going to happen? Because I am reading the trend. Nowadays the BBC refers to England, Scotland and Wales as "countries". It never did this before. Twenty years ago the English didn't know they were English. My aunts still don't know what an English flag is. Nonetheless, George Crosses are much in evidence nowadays. Because the various "Scottish" regiments of the army have been clumped conveniently into one super regiment. Because home rule and the Holyrood parliament has laid in place all the political apparatus for secession. Because there is talk of a Scottish Olympic team and a Scottish Eurovision entry, and a .SCO web domain. And finally, most of all because the EU agenda is one of an integrated federal Europe of regions. Scotland is one region and England a set of 9. For this to be successful, the viability of states outside of the EU has to be undermined, by breaking them down. The same process is underway, though less advanced, in Spain, France, Italy...
We are being prepared and steered towards this future, almost imperceptibly slowly, and mostly under false pretenses, but that has always been the EU way. As the movers and shakers behind these plans well know, far more can be achieved by evolution, than by revolution.
That's just my opinion, my prediction. And no I am not representing UKIP.
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Corby Boy
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Interesting synopsis. A lot of what you say may come true.
The European super state bit, I hope doesn't. I work in Europe and interact with many different Europeans. IMO There seems to be no general appetite for Lisbon and presidents, EU armies etc...
The French are essentially uber nationalistic (as opposed to civic) not liking anyone other than themselves, the Germans can't stand the French.. The Dutch don't like the Germans.. and it goes on. At a grass roots level.
I think there will be a backlash at some point of the Eurocrats in Brussels push things too far.
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Corby Boy
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The other thing I would add, is that on the Queen's death, a referendum would most likely be held on whether Scotland wants to retain the monarchy or become a republic.
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Dave Coull
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Re: Scotland WILL be "independent"In the very same meditation which includes that famous line about "for whom the bell tolls", the 16th Century English poet John Donne also wrote another line which would become a famous saying: "no man is an island". | Quote: | | No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less...any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind... |
Now, that was centuries before the EU existed, so of course it can't be taken as supporting that institution. Besides, the reference to "mankind" makes it more about humanity as a whole, rather than one particular part of it, even a whole continent, or an institution covering most of a continent. Nevertheless, while it can't be taken as supporting the EU, it can be taken as rejecting the exclusively British isolationist stance of the likes of UKIP. | Luke P wrote: | | I am not representing UKIP. |
But you are very much in tune with their British Nationalist agenda. There are virtually no completely "independent" countries in the world. We live in an inter-dependent world. Your priority is getting Britain (a fully united kingdom of Britain) out of the EU. The priority of many of us is that Scotland should NOT be part of a fully united kingdom of Britain, but that Scotland should become as independent as other countries which are regarded as independent. As for the EU, that is a matter for us to decide on AFTER independence. Now, personally, I'm not at all keen on the EU. In many ways, I consider that body almost as restrictive as the UK, and, when we have a Scottish referendum on it, there is strong probability I will vote against membership. (I specify a "Scottish" referendum because, of course, I won't take part in any BRITISH referendum on the EU. I would regard that as a distraction from the priority of a referendum on independence for Scotland.) But if the result of the referendum should be in favour of membership of the EU? While not being delighted with that, I will reluctantly accept the verdict of the people of Scotland. A Scotland which is independent of the UK but a member of the EU would not be my first preference, but nevertheless it would be much preferable to a Scotland which is part of the UK.
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Luke P
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Re: Scotland WILL be "independent" | Luke P wrote: | | I am not representing UKIP. |
But you are very much in tune with their British Nationalist agenda. [/quote]
Maybe UKIP represents me  .
I am not at all against the EEC. I think that was a good idea. Unfortunately the trading bloc was merely a ruse to get us into the superstate.
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Luke P
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| Corby Boy wrote: | Interesting synopsis. A lot of what you say may come true.
The European super state bit, I hope doesn't. I work in Europe and interact with many different Europeans. IMO There seems to be no general appetite for Lisbon and presidents, EU armies etc...
The French are essentially uber nationalistic (as opposed to civic) not liking anyone other than themselves, the Germans can't stand the French.. The Dutch don't like the Germans.. and it goes on. At a grass roots level.
I think there will be a backlash at some point of the Eurocrats in Brussels push things too far. |
One would hope so, but they have pushed things rather too far already. The European Coal and Steel Union was presented to be a trade agreement, not an UBERSTADT.... and yet the process has been so gradual, the concensus among the main parties so wimpishly unanimous, the flow of power and influence and money to Brussels relentless. There has been no riot, no protest, no scandal. Just befuddled resignation or indifference. We assume our leaders know what they are doing. Well, they certainly do, but they're not telling.
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