scottish radio dj makes paedo "joke" on air

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for those who dont know rangers and many fans of other scottish clubs namely hearts and motherwell have been trying to make an issue of "big jock knew".

this is a reference to a sex scandal at celtic bhoys club many years ago were young boys were abused.

this is referring to allegations that celtics greatest manager jock stein knew about this. he was celtic manager at the time. these claims are totally without substance and do not have one shred of evidence.

at present this "big jock knew" is appearing in graffiti, message boards and has even been painted on banners held over motorway fly overs when celtic are travelling to other grounds in scotland.

real radio dj steven mckenna has thus decided in his wisdom at the end of a pink song which finishes in the line "who knew" to quickly say "big jock knew" at the end of the song.

this person should be sacked immediately for making light of paedophillia and also for attempting to blacken the name of a scottish sporting hero in a sick little point scoring contest.

Aventinian

Haha, very good.

Rinty

I would hope that the station reprimand him at the very least and that he apologises to the Stein family.

macnumpty

I would also hope that he apologises to the abuse victims and their families, who've had this whole sorry episode dragged up again for the sake of a cheap joke.

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Rinty

I agree that the families wouldnt want it brought up again numpty but this guy has accused Jock Stein of the henious crime of being complicit in abuse of children. It's a terrible slur and must make his family sick and angry.

macnumpty

True, but I can't help but wonder how many people have actually stopped to think about the abuse victims. McKenna clearly didn't.

I mean, it's wrong that Big Jock should get dragged over the coals when he's no longer alive to defend himself, and his family are right to feel aggrieved, but this will be reopening deep, deep wounds for many people, and insulting Jock Stein's memory, which is utterly disgraceful, is small potatoes when compared with turning child abuse into a joke.

I think Parky hit the nail on the head when he said McKenna should be fired for making light of paedophilia: I reckon that's the most serious thing the DJ did, and the slur on Stein comes in at #2. He should apologise to Stein's family as well, of course, but that's just the tip of a very large iceberg.

mairead

Typically sad from a comedian who isn't very funny and I agree with MacNumpty. Anyone who even brings up paedophilia in a joke context is a bloody pathetic individual.

parkhead_rfb

he has now stated that he didnt know the meaning of the term at all and was unaware what it related to.

to me that just sounds like absolute bollocks. why would a dj knowingly make reference to something he had no idea about at the end of a song.

he has also now claimed threats have been made against his two year old child. now call me cynical but this sounds to me like a blatant attempt to get himself some kind of sympathy.

it also looks like he wont be sacked.

SLG

Aye, of course he's talking rubbish. Just trying to save his job. Up to Real Radio what they do though. If folk don't listen to his show then they'll get rid of him or at least lose money on advertising.

azzuri

Rinty

I thought it was a brilliant programme on the media and public reaction to dealing with peadophilia.

SLG

I thought it was an excellent program as well. I don't think you can put the two in the same bracket. Morris was making a serious point in an intelligent and funny way. McKenna was using pedophilia to have a wee dig at a football team he doesn't like.

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parkhead_rfb

I would say both are as serious as each other.

he is also now only apologising because people have complained and his explanation is nonsense. that is unless he always goes around randomly shouting slogans he has heard when going about his daily life.

and no there is no campaign for justice its just simple minded huns who have nothing better to shout about because their team is so s***e who have came up with it.

Cado

Cado

oops, again.

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Cado

oh, deary deary me......

Cado

Holebender

Oh my, that's some rapier of a wit you've got there Parkie. I am in awe of the power of your words... did you make them up yourself or did some big boys tell you that in the playground before you started your Summer holidays?

mairead

oooo, Nippy sweetie there holebender.

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Rinty

It should be added that the celtic players in question were filmed singing the fields of athenry and none of them on the recording took part in the chants about the IRA and the Queen that some celtic supporters were chanting as part of their version of thje song. So:

"a couple celtic players at a function were videoed singing ira/f**k the queen songs" didnt actually happen.

SLG

If you're talking about the video with Pearson and Hartson - it definitely looked to me like Pearson was shouting IRA as well.

Rinty

I dont agree SLG, I dont think either of the two players were involved in the chanting.

Rinty

Actually SLG, I looked at it again and it does look like Pearson chanted IRA at one point, his hand went to his mouth to chant at the same time as IRA was chanted at least. Hartson clearly didnt and McGeady, who most claimed was also involved, isnt even in the picture.

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sgmillerton

as i suspected one old firm bigot justifies secterian chanting against the queen, not because she is the head of the church/churches oh no, it's because the irish don't like her. and that makes it okay.

what happens if a rangers bigot says he shouts against catholics and the pope because he disagree's with the catholic churches policy on abortion. i take it that would be okay as well.

ONLY the mind of old firm bigots can such simlpeminded, adolescent slavering's be justified.

Pip

Babygael

Geez weez! Och, is she the heid o' th' scottish parliament? Shocked

Is she th' leader o' th' Scots?

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sgmillerton

and this, good people of scotland, is where the secterian problem is resucitated on a daily basis. whilst these pathetic justifications for secterian bile are spewed out by simpleminded bigots the 2 sided secterian problem in scotland will NEVER go away.

shame cos it's decent wee counytry really.

Holebender

Got it in one, sgmillerton.

iainmhor

Aye forward to a secular Scottish Republic. Thats what Republicans demand. Is that sectarian? The flip-side of the loyalist/unionist coin?

Holebender

Don't you find it odd that these Tricolour-waving Irish Republican Celtic supporters consistently vote for the arch Unionist establishment supporting Labour Party? If they really wanted to do something about the British state instead of just shouting about it from the terraces they'd vote to destroy it. It's all talk.

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sgmillerton

Holebender

The evidence, Parkie, is the number of Labour politicians who are regularly welcomed at Parkhead. And Ibrox. As someone else pointed out, the Old Firm is just that, one firm. They are the two sides of the same coin, only their fans seem too wrapped up in their own particular flags to realise they're being duped and exploited (by the Old Firm and by Labour). Maybe it's just coincidence that the Old Firm is situated in the heart of Labour's stronghold in Scotland?

As someone else has pointed out as well, anti-English bile is no more acceptable that religious-based bile, but I will take issue with one thing; the ones who spout the anti-English bile are rarely doing so in the name of independence. The most virulent anti-English bile peddlers are almost always the ones who dutifully trot along and vote Labour time after time.

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Holebender

Like I said, the Old Firm being at the heart of Labour's stronghold must be purely coincidental then. It's not just the party members at old firm matches, it's the party members representing constiuencies inhabited by Old Firm supporters.

The numbers of Tory MPs, MSPs and councillors representing the areas around Ibrox would seem to give the lie to your assertion that Rangers supporters vote Tory, or is that from your "because i said so university"?

At least I have evidence in the form of Labour politicians being elected to represent the area, where's your evidence? Haven't you noticed that (as I started out saying) it's the Labour Party which is the most staunchly Unionist and pro-Establishment? Why wouldn't your stereotypical Rangers supporter vote Labour? The real question is why would the stereotypical Celtic fan do it, and the evidence clearly shows he does. (I know Labour has a long tradition of stuffing the ballot boxes down that way but even they wouldn't get away with it if they didn't have a pretty strong support base, so those Labour MPs, MSPs and councillors represent somebody. You'll be telling us next that it's everybody except the Celtic fans who vote them in!)

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Holebender

I suppose reading isn't a strong point with you, is it? How many times do I have to state that the areas inhabited by Old Firm supporters consistently return Labour representatives in elections before you get it? That's a fact. Everything you write is unsupported conjecture, like your "fact" that Rangers fans are natural Tories, even though few of them actually vote Tory.

In case it escaped your notice, the SNP has been around since before the Second World War (had it's first MP elected in a by-election in 1945) and the Liberals were around even before the Labour Party so it never has been a case of a choice of only Labour or Tory. But don't let the facts get in the way of your prejudices.

It really is pointless engaging with you, Parkie, as you never listen to anything which doesn't fit your set-in-concrete green-tinted world view.

RadgeJougal

Went to two Fringe shows last night - paedo jokes galore...

RadgeJougal

Holebender

I mean there was never a situation in which there was a straight choice between Labour and the Tories. There has always been at least one other party to choose from. When Labour came into being the choice was Labour, Liberal or Tory. Later it was Labour, Liberal, Tory, or SNP. Later still it was Labour, Alliance, Tory, or SNP. And so on.

I hope that has cleared up any misunderstanding.

RadgeJougal

You're right in a way - although you missed out the SDP (Charlie Kennedy's old party), which is also an argument in favour.

However, for year, the UK has been a two party state. 2 1/2 party anyway. Devolution changed that. I think in the 1950s, and early 60s, it was mainly a Tory-Labour battle as the Liberals were still declining and the SNP had not risen yet. The SNP really didn't start doing well until the late 60s, although it had a few successes before then.

Holebender

Regardless. All I was doing was showing parkie that he was wrong when he said people had no choice but Labour or Tory. Even if the other parties were relatively minor the choice was still available.

And I was not attempting a comprehensive listing of all the possible candidates on the ballot paper throughout history.

parkhead_rfb

you still havent shown any research onto how celtic fans vote or any to proof your other claim that anti english people mostly arent nationalist either.

your basing claims about how celtic fans voted on a massive part of the century where the vast vast majority of people voted either tory or labour. there was no such thing as voter dealignment until fairly recently, you can hardly blame celtic fans for a ingrained political trend.

as i have already said on here celtic forums have also conducted polls on independence and these have given wide majorities in favour of it whilst this may not be proper research as such you on the other hand have nothing to back up what you say on how celtic fans vote

Holebender

FFS parky! It doesn't take research, all you have to do is look at electoral returns. Who do you suppose is voting Labour in all the areas where Old Firm supporters live?

That's enough, I've told you the same thing 3 or 4 times now and you are clearly too dense to take it in. I'll say no more until you can show some actual evidence of Rangers fans voting Tory.

BTW, research shows that up to half of Labour voters support independence so your Celtic website evidence doesn't prove a thing. Actual votes in actual elections do, however.

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Rinty

"the areas inhabited by Old Firm supporters consistently return Labour representatives"

Its convenient to have celtic supporters as a scapegoat for Labours victories but even if the above were true it means nothing in terms of proving what way Celtic supporters vote.

The vast majority of Killie fans live in areas that return Labour MPs and MSPs until this year, does that mean that the Killie fans have been propping up the union? The same is true for Motherwell, Airdrie, and almost every other central belt team.

Most Celtic fans I know are either not interested in politics or they are SNP supporters. The Celtic fans like Parkie who are also interested or involved in Irish Republicanism are even more pro-independence and would vote SSP, SNP or Solidarity mostly.

There is something quite ugly about the whole thing. Many Celtic fans in Glasgow and Lanarkshire were immigrants or descendents of immigrants, for most of the 20th century the Labour Party were a natural home for those people, as it was for asian immigrants later, or Black immigrants in London.

You probably could have made the case for Celtic supporters being largely Labour supporters three decades ago but not now. But then, three decades ago you could have argued the same for supporters of most teams.

I think that post the NI "troubles", post Miners Strike etc, there is little of that historical tradition left. There has also traditionally been a large "left" section of the Celtic support which at one time may have been Labour but since the change in Labour and the emergence of pro-independence left parties and the emergence of the SNP as a serious force in the late 70's, I think that will have changed.

Asians in Glasgow traditionally supported Labour but the younger generation are more Solidarity/SSP/SNP minded, I hope that decades from now we wont be accusing Glasgows asians of propping up the union.

The whole thing smacks of trying to paint Celtic fans as outsiders who are a sort of foreign enemy within and it worries me.

Holebender

Take your west Central Belt glasses off. Only there could SCOTS who support Celtic be depicted as foreign because their ancestors originated in Ireland a century and a half ago. The rest of Scotland doesn't care about that sectarian crap.

Rinty

"Take your west Central Belt glasses off. Only there could SCOTS who support Celtic be depicted as foreign because their ancestors originated in Ireland a century and a half ago. The rest of Scotland doesn't care about that sectarian crap."

You obviously do, for the whole of this thread you have attempted to take a football club, pigeonhole all of its supprters as the same and then attach stereotypes to that group of people based on sectarian myths and generalisations.

I am from an Ulster/Orange background, was brought up as a catholic, have few links to Ireland except as immigrants to Ireland from Scotland and have NEVER supported Labour.

I dont see myself as an unlikely Celtic supporter or an unusual one. People like me and various other mixes of backgrounds are the norm at Celtic Park.

I dont know how many people here are Celtic fans but both Parkie and I are supporters of Independence for Scotland and vote for pro-independence parties. Where does that leave your theory?

If I were to guess, I would imagine that Celtic fans might break down as similar to the Scottish election results, with probably a higher level of support for Solidarity and SSP and LESS support labour than across Scotland in general.

Whereas Motherwell fans would be more pro-labour, yet they dont face your wrath or your bigotted stereotyping.

Holebender

There was no bigotry, no stereotyping, just a general obseration (borne out by election results and the large number of Labour politicians who regularly attend Old Firm grounds) that it is odd that the tricolour-waving Irish repubican supporting Celtic fans seem to form a significant part of the bedrock of the arch unionist Labour party's support.

I have never, at any time, said that all Celtic supporters do this or that, or anything of that nature. That would be stereotyping and probably bigoted. My observation is based on the statistically significant numbers of Labour voters in the general area surrounding the Old Firm's grounds.

As for me doing this for "the whole thread", I didn't even bother posting about this until a few days ago when the thread was already near the end of its second page.

Rinty

Holebender

Sigh... whatever you say. It is utterly pointless continuing this in the face of your (and Parky's) complete refusal to accept that the West Central Belt still mostly votes Labour and still houses the Old Firm. Have it your way.

The point about Killy, etc. is meaningless because they don't have fans who spend every Saturday flaunting their Irish republican credentials. That's the point, Celtic supporters (not all of them of course) wave their Tricolours and sing their songs and then vote for the Establishment. Fans of other teams may very well also vote Labour, but they don't spend every Saturday pretending to be such rebels against the UK.

All the rest of your stuff about me trying to portray Celtic fans (including my neighbours across the street?) as foreign anything is utter crap. I am not trying to portray them as anything except hypocrites for their public displays of anti-Britishness while privately supporting the bedrock of the State with their votes. (My neighbours, btw, support the team but don't go in for all that fake Irish Republicanism.) You utterly fail to get it so I'm not going to continue. I will not post another word in this thread.

It is clearly also true that Parky was completely correct when he said Rangers fans naturally tend to vote Tory. How could I have missed noticing?

parkhead_rfb

he sighed and repeated himself rinty! how will we cope with this great debater?

its no surprise your bored. all you have done is spent a few pages repeating yourself and telling us we are blinded despite repeated requests to actually show some evidence for what your claiming.

you also have for what the third time now refused to answer your statement as to how you know most scots who are anti english are not nationalist?

sgmillerton

sgmillerton

and so what if the majority of celtic fans vote labour and the rangers fans vote tory. so long as the scottish people contunue to see sense and not vote for the likes of the ssp/bnp/ukip/christian and other such idiotic parties we will do fine.

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RadgeJougal

sgmillerton

Cymro

Rinty

sgmillerton

i'm sorry but this is laughable. those who wave tricolours are likleyto vote for the ssp/snp/solidarity, i suppose those waving a union jack all vote tory as well? has someone been spiking your coffee? you should open a tartan tat gift shop in edinburgh, your cliches are quite remarkable. AND, why on earth would a left wing extremist change votes from ssp/solidarity to a capitalist and centrist (right) party such as the snp. WHY?

are you saying that the snp now has a band of left wing loonies in their ranks (not good, cos i support them, the snp that is!!) and supporting them OR, or BOTH the ssp/solidarity are now just a shiny badge to wear for dissafted students in buchan street going to poetry slams.

do tell.

babykitten

sgmillerton

Rinty

sgmillerton

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Dave Coull

sgmillerton wrote "the majority of voters voted for pro-union parties" - that is true, but it is NOT true, as claimed by the leaders of these parties, that the majority of voters voted for the Union. Opinion polls have shown that quite large percentages of supporters of these parties would vote for independence in a single-question referendum, and yet they go on voting for these pro-union parties in party political elections (for reasons other than their views on independence or union). On the other hand, a minority of SNP voters might actually vote AGAINST independence in a referendum. Party political contests cannot show whether the majority of voters are for or against the Union, party political contests cannot show whether the majority of voters are for or against independence. There is only ONE way to establish whether a majority are pro-union or pro-independence, and that is through a referendum.

sgmillerton also wrote "unfortunately that means alex will have to water down any independence plans in the meantime" - that does not follow.

Some of us were demanding a referendum on independence from the previous Executive AS OUR DEMOCRATIC HUMAN RIGHT, and we are continuing to press that demand on the present Executive. We previously did so through Independence First, but we are now doing so through 'Determination', the non-aligned campaign for self-determination for Scotland.

Angus Coull wrote to both the British government and to the Scottish Executive on the 4th of February this year, putting forward this demand on our behalf. This was a follow up to previous letters he had written to both the British government and the Executive in July 2006. He received rather negative responses from both Westminster and Holyrood on both occasions. But nevertheless our DEMAND for a referendum as of right is still on the table, so far as both the new Prime Minister and the new First Minister are concerned.

In May, we in 'Determination' wrote to the United Nations Human Rights Commission saying that we wished to register the fact that we considered our human rights were being breached by the refusal of the British government to hold a self-determination referendum for Scotland. A few weeks later, we wrote again to the UNHRC saying that, while we are certainly NOT withdrawing our complaint against the British government, in view of the election of an Executive in Scotland pledged to hold a referendum on independence, we will wait a bit to see what develops. However, we reserved our right to go ahead with our complaint if insufficient progress was being made.

Of course, any complaint to the United Nations Human Rights Commission could take many months to be investigaated, and of course we can not pre-judge the outcome of that investigation. Nevertheless, Gordon Brown should consider whether he really wants headlines such as UN INVESTIGATES SCOTTISH HUMAN RIGHTS COMPLAINT AGAINST UK .

As for Alex and the other members of the Scottish government, of course they have to go ahead with plans for a referendum on independence. After all, they wouldn't want to be seen as being accomplices to the British government's refusal of a basic human right - would they?

Rinty

sgmillerton

you started with the insults if you recall. you keep telling me to come up with evidence to back up my argument, i did, election results! you choose to ignore this as it does not suit your agenda. i think you are very wrong and have blinkered attitude to flag waving and why they are waved, it is also simplistic at best.

i'm glad you enjoy poetry slams.

Cymro

Rinty

"It's this, along with Blair wanting his own sort of 'crusade' which lead to the Good Friday Agreement, IRA ceasefire etc."

Surely the whole process was started by John Majors government and not Blair?

Parkies reaction does not surprsise me and that is what I have been trying to say. The republican element of the Celtic support do not see Labour as friends and havent done for a long while, if at all. They see Labour as the party who sent in the troops and much more.

You may be right Cymru about Labour being more sympathetic to Irish independence and a united Ireland, but that is not the same as them having support from Irish republicans.

sgmillerton

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