mairead
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Stone of DestinyTen years today since the stone of Destiny which was taken to Westminster by King Edward 1st of England, was returned to Scotland although whether it is the real stone is still greatly debated.
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SLG
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So does anyone know where the real stone is? Now would be a good time.
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Avatar
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Im sure I remember a story saying when when it was originally stolen it was hid in a wall somewhere. Couldn't they run tests on the one we have to check and make sure its real?
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Wolf of Badenoch
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| SLG wrote: | | So does anyone know where the real stone is? Now would be a good time. |
Ave telt this story afore oan here ahm sure,onyways, if ye want tae ken aboot ra Stane o Destiny ma wee boy seems tae ken a helluva lot aboot it.
Last year when he wis in P6 they got taken tae see ra Stane at the castle for a topic they waur daein,noo ra guide fae ra castle wis giein it the big spiel tae ra bairns and ra teachers when ma boy says tae him " Dae ye believe in real Scottish history?" tae which ra guide says "Aye" tae then be telt by ma boy "Weel ye`ll ken that that stane isnae ra real stane o destiny then",ra guide says" Whaur is ra real stane then wee smart guy",ra wee smart guy telt him "Somewhaur in Scotland." Ra guide wisnae happy when ra teachers had a laugh by aw acoonts.
Git that right up ye then so called Edinburgh castle history guide,taken tae ra cleaners by a 10 year auld.
If a get ony mair information ootae ma boy aboot ra whauraboots ae ra real stane i`ll let yees ken,micht be a while mind hes no giein much awa.
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mairead
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Hiya Wolfie, Nice to see you back.
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Wolf of Badenoch
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| mairead wrote: | | Hiya Wolfie, Nice to see you back. |
Aye aye mairead,thank ye kindly. 
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Lord Pitsligo
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| Avatar wrote: | | Im sure I remember a story saying when when it was originally stolen it was hid in a wall somewhere. Couldn't they run tests on the one we have to check and make sure its real? |
As someone who studied geology, I can say that yes, we could get a very good idea of where the rock comes from. Perthshire sandstone I'd say, if I had to make a guess 
I know some people have theorised that the original stone was a meteorite. The old accounts of the stone certainly fit the description of a meteorite.
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azzuri
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...with some sort of celtic knot carvings in it, apparently.
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Babygael
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Celtic aliens?  
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Corby Boy
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The auld legend goes that the Abbott of Scone hid the true stone from Edward Longshanks (it was originally from Tara in Ireland), and produced it on the proclomation of Robert the Bruce. He was duly crowned on it. On Roberts death bed, he bade Angus Og MacDonald to spirit it away after his son's coronation (David Bruce). This happened and Angus died not long after.
So, ask someone in clan MacDonald, whaur's yon stane, ma friends?
Other theory the Knights Templar, protected by Bruce, are guarding it until a new King can be found to sit on Scotland's throne.
So, Western Isles or Roslin or some such, take ya pick!
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Holebender
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The problem with the Knights Templar story is that Scotland had a whole line of legitimate Kings after Bruce and was safe from English aggression (at least in the years immediately after Bruce) so why wasn't the stone produced then? Wouldn't it have been a great propoganda coup to unveil the stone and publicly hold a coronation after the English had gone to all the trouble of taking a fake down to Westminster Abbey? No, the Knichties story doesn't stand up.
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Blackadder
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The Stone of Destiny originally came from Egypt and is inscribed with heiroglyphs. It was brought to Ireland by the Tuatha de Danaan, a Celtic tribe that descended from the Celt mercenaries at the Court of the Pharaohs. Known as the Lia Fail (although there is another stone called that in Ireland) and Jacob's Pillow, "clach-na-cinneamhain", "clach Sgàin" and the Tanist Stone, the real stone was hidden from the marauding English army of Edward I (who referred to himself as the "Hammer of the Scots). The real stone is still hidden. The lump of rock in Edinburgh Castle .... is a fake!
The real stone was looked after by the Clan Dewar, Gaelic ‘Deoireach’, who were like a caste of hereditary priests to the King of Scots. It is believed they spirited the stone away to either a remote highland cave or to the Islands, possibly the Holy Isle of Iona, an island sacred to the Celt druids long before Christianity claimed it!
It's highly likely the stone iself is of polished black basalt, a stone highly favoured by Egyptians ... and the ends were carved into lotus fronds. Scrolls were more a Roman achitectural feature.
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mairead
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And the lump of rock in Edinburgh castle is alleged to be the covering of an ancient lavatory.
Does my heart good to think of all the 'British' kings and queens who were crowned over a toilet seat.
I believe the stone is still hidden and who knows it might even reappear when Scotland stands as a nation again.
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Holebender
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Again, I have to ask; if the stone was hidden away for safe keeping, why wasn't it produces as soon as Scotland's independence was secured in the 14th Century? Why not get it out of hiding and hold a grand coronation for Robert I as soon as the Treaty of Edinburgh-Northampton was signed?
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agentmancuso
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I've got some impressive lumps of concrete in the garden that your all welcome to if you'd like to sculpt a new Stone of Destiny.
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mairead
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Holebender.
I have no idea why the stone was not produced at these times, but I daresay it could have had something to do with the fear of it another attempt at stealing it.. Mind you, you do raise a good point here and have set me wondering the same.
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