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| Reluctant Hero |
Who is going to be next president?Onama or McCain?And more importantly, does anyone know if the votes are counted on the Tuesday or is it the next day or what? I think it is going to be a lot closer than the polls are suggesting at the moment but I think Obama might just pull through. |
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| azzuri |
I've laid Obama at 1.15 on Betfair, I just can't believe that anyone is at such short odds in a 2-horse race. Still lots of time for something to go wrong, which is essentially what I'm betting on.
Still think that Obama will win quite comfortably, but there's no money to be made betting on it... |
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| Dave Coull |
Re: Who is going to be next president?
Some will be counted the same day, but don't forget what that means - California is 8 hours behind us, I think Hawaii might be 12 hours behind us, so that's the next day as far as we are concerned anyway. In any case, I think there are sure to be legal challenges about the way the votes are counted in some states. There are many MILLIONS of new voters being registered, and there are sure to be challenges to some of them, and this will probably mean very long queues to vote in some cities and some states, probably especially in black areas, and it is highly likely that tempers will get heated about folk being effectively denied the right to vote. It could even end up with the supreme court (judges appointed by George Dubbya Bush) deciding the result. If that DOES happen, expect a long drawn out saga, and if the result of that long drawn out saga should be that McCain is declared the winner in the face of some pretty clear evidence to the contrary, then I would say, expect rioting. |
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| Blackadder |
It's a HUGE pity that Homer Simpson couldn't be a candidate. He'd so representative of every American!!! 
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| kathyv |
Ahem. . . not EVERY American Blacky. Give a few of us a bit of dignity!
Votes will begin to be counted when the polls close. On the east coast this will happen 5 hours before Hawaii so counting literally will go on all night long. Then there are the re counts. Then there are the absentee voter ballots. Then there are the lost or misplaced ballot boxes inevitably turning up with percentage turning numbers stashed under a table or in a closet somewhere. Then there are the mechanical issues. It all seems so futile, the media have already chosen. Here, in Oregon, we vote by mail, which means the USPS WILL lose ballots. Many of us wish they would do a staggered count, or wait until the next day when all ballots are in, it feels to many on the west coast that our votes don't count toward anything, east coast percentages rack up and the Electoral College apparently feels it can pick a winner before half the nation is done counting. |
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| Blackadder |
My apologies, Kaffy. When I said "every American", I meant every American with half a brain. Which you of course, don't have! 
Good to see you venturing out of the General Banter section every so often. This forum needs us! 
Did you see Obama's half-hour TV spot? It looked awfully like he was counting his chickens before they've hatched! Very Presidential. Made McCain look a like a dour, silly old duffer with no sense of humour ... and who do we know like that??? 
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| kevin04 |
I think Obama is pretty much certain to win, I don't think he'll win by the big margin that's expected, maybe more around 5%, although I expect McCain to make a wee push in the polls this weekend.
For the folk interested in betting. The interesting bets are the too hard to call states e.g. Ohio. Looking forward to Tuesday night now. |
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| kathyv |
heh heh heh, if I got my feelings hurt easily, I'd be unable to accept that comment as the complement it is! Many Dems are now saying they don't have any confidence in Obama's leadership abilities, yet. They'd like him to put in more time in Congress, then run. I don't know, to me it seems diving into the deep end is kind of a good way to learn the ropes. Sink or swim as it were . . . Whichever happens to get it, the poor man will have a mess to clean up after from the current party boys. I don't wish that on anyone. |
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| Reluctant Hero |
Thanks DC.
The Beeb have provided a useful Election night guide here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/...cas/us_elections_2008/7705795.stm Wonder what effect, if any, the news that Obama's grandmother has died will have on the outcome. Given the amount of people that are turning out to register their vote early and waiting up to 4 hours to do so, this indicates people want change. So I think an Obama victory will be larger than I first thought. Although it is often said that the Republicans and Democrats are just two shades of the same colour, I think it would be a travesty beyond all comprehension if McCain and his side-kick were to win. |
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| Red Justice |
Communist Party USA advocating Americans should vote Obama.
Websites BBC have a US Election polltracker. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/629/629/7360265.stm While RTE website has an interactive election map http://www.rte.ie/news/features/uselection2008/index.html |
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| mairead |
If I had a vote it would go to Obama. | ||
| Dave Coull |
I wonder how much John McCain had to pay them for that? But it looks like he will lose anyway. |
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| Blackadder |
With but hours to go, it looks like it's going to be Obama.
But here's a posit I posted on General Banter .... if the American President is acknowledged as the Leader of the Free World ... shouldn't we ALL have a vote???
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| Red Justice |
If Obama wins, he will be the first African-American to become US
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| kevin04 |
Anyone betting tonight?
I've stuck on Obama to win 350-369 @ 3/1 Republicans to win Ohio @ 11/4 Republicans to win Missouri @ 6/5 Democrats to win Indiana @ 11/8 |
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| Scott2006 |
As of 6.30am when coverage finished Obama had 338 electoral college votes to McCain having more than 156.
Ohio went to Obama, Indiana was a fraction of a percentage towards McCain with votes still to be confirmed. So I hope kevin you never had that as an accumulator? |
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| Cruachan |
What a great day
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| Reluctant Hero |
I thought both speeches were pretty good.
Obama's wasn't too triumphant. It was like, "now we have got that out of the way, let's get on with the real job." McCain's put aside any bitterness that had built up over the last year and a half to congratulate Obama. Even when some of his supporters started to boo at the mention of Obama's name, he hushed the crowd before continuing with his speech. He may not have come across the best throughout the campaign, but he was a class act last night. |
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| kevin04 |
Wasn't an accumulator just single bets, according to the BEEB I'm on course for getting 3 out of 4 right. Obama is predicted to win Indiana with 100% counted but it's very close. McCain is ahead by a few odd thousand in Missouri as well, so if those results happen and Obama wins North Carolina, He'll have 364 |
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