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kalashnikov
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SSP MP Rosie Kane recently visited Cuba and talked to hundreds of people in Havana about life in the country, some were very supportive of Castro, others were critical of him and even a handful felt it was time for a change. None of them desired a return to capitalism, the vast majority wanted to see the revolution deepened however and many look to the situation in Latin America as the furthering of workers control on a world scale.
Rosie Kane asked a packed bar how many of them had been imprisoned for their political views, the only one in that bar who had was herself, in Scotland!
Why weren’t these people who criticised Castro afraid to do so if they were going to end up in jail or even dead?
Some people have been jailed in Cuba before because they called for assassinations on government officials and acts of terrorism to be carried out to destabilise the country. You tell me these people wouldn’t have been jailed in any capitalist country?
But jailed for having political views, certainly not, again that is nothing more than the lies and distortions of the formed Cuban bourgeoisie who long for a return of the days when the island was a brothel and playground for millionaires.
Also the fact that you personally have never been victimised for your views in America cannot speak for the country in its entirety. Communists have been persecuted for their views in America since the McCarthy days and the government of G W Bush and the oil companies behind him are no more favourable to them today.
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sandmountainslim
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Is it not striking how the struggle of Hard Core Marxists such as Kalash and the struggle of Hard Core Nationalists such as myself are so much alike yet so very different? Both groups despise the current status of our respective states yet we have radically different answers to the problems, the Marxist answer being complete state control of personal affairs in the name of the common good and the Nationalist answer being complete personal freedom and the disolution of large national entities, instead a loose confederation of local governments. I will admit that I understand where folks like Kalash and other are coming from, when I was in my teens and early twenties I myself was sympathetic with "Worker States" and the worldwide Socialist Movement, however after learning a bit about the "paradises" created by Pol Pot, Stalin and the lifestyle led by men like Erich Honeker I turned away from those feelings and turned toward the movement I am now proud to be a small part of, that being the Southern Nationalist Movement here in Appalachia, I know many of the leaders of this movement and have met Dr Hill on several occasions, I know these men do not live the lifestyle of kings while asking contributions from the common members and that means alot to me personally.
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trueblue
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ha ha ha. only pimps and grug dealers left cuba for the us where they would be welcome. THOUSANDS of men women and childredn flee this dictatorship every year for the us-are they all pimps etc. ?
why do you think a bar full of cubans with visiting politicians would not speak out about castro's dictatorship?
gypsy rose kane was jailed cos she broke the law and she is only semi-literate. she shouls stick to climbibg tree's and feeding robbing assylum seekers.
whether you like it or not the venezualan people found themselves to be 136 on the list corrupted countries. no argument. even the evil us did better, a lot better.
free speech is alive and well in the usa unlike cuba.
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azzuri
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are you a tory by any chance trueblue?
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parkhead_rfb
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i'd say more BNP to be honest.
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Rinty
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| Quote: | | the Marxist answer being complete state control |
Oh come on, only the most uninformed of us would have to be reminded that marx's communism has no state therefore no state control. |
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they dont tell you these things in the sun or daily mail though.
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kalashnikov
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Did anyone else laugh at the tremendous irony of this comment “she is only semi-literate”
Followed by some outstanding spelling from the obviously fully literate “trueblue”
| Quote: | | THOUSANDS of men women and childredn flee this dictatorship every year for the us |
Thousands certainly go without a lot of resources that would make life a lot easier for them, things like toilet paper and razors are hard to come by due to the US blockade. What does the US hope to achieve by this? And what is your evidence that these people are fleeing in their thousands to the US every year? Or did you just make that up?
| Quote: | | why do you think a bar full of cubans with visiting politicians would not speak out about castro's dictatorship? |
I’ve already said some of them were critical of Castro, if he was a ruthless dictator and they were so terrified they would have simply declared his greatness unanimously.
| Quote: | | whether you like it or not the venezualan people found themselves to be 136 on the list corrupted countries. no argument. even the evil us did better, a lot better. |
Oh the “list of corrupt countries”, is that like FHM 100 sexiest women? Or 100 great moments in Scottish football history? Like I said did you vote in the poll for this list? I certainly didn’t, and I know nobody who did either.
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azzuri
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sorry to take this off-topic - but where the hell can you buy the 100 greatest scottish football moments? I can only think of about 3 good 'uns. 
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sandmountainslim
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| Rinty wrote: | | Quote: | | the Marxist answer being complete state control |
Oh come on, only the most uninformed of us would have to be reminded that marx's communism has no state therefore no state control. |
Marxism as actually practiced bears little resemblance to what is described in Marx's book, I suppose next you will tell me that there was no Soviet State for all those decades or that Pol Pot was a supporter of Anarchy? 
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sandmountainslim
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sandmountainslim
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Let me get my "truths" down so that I will better fit in in these parts.
The Soviet State never existed
The Berlin Wall was built to keep corrupt Westerners out.
Pol Pot was a victim of a corrupt Western Press.
Cuba IS a paradise, however it has a shortage of Toilet Paper due to US Imperialism.
There are no underage prostitutes in Cuba.
Stalin DID NOT have Trotsky murdered, that is a lie cooked up by corrupt officials of the press.
There were no Soviet Gulags as the Soviet State never existed.
Hugo Chavez does NOT live in a palace in Caracas, he is Robin Hood reborn and lives on the street with his beloved people.
Che Guevarra was innocent of the charges of killing innocent civilians and was murdered by the slaves of Capitalism.
Lenin and his lieutenants did NOT order the murder of the Romanov household (children, servants and all) , they most likely committed suicide.
In sum the communist probably have murdered something like 110,000,000, or near two-thirds of all those killed by all governments, quasi-governments, and guerrillas from 1900 to 1987. Of course, the world total itself it shocking. It is several times the 38,000,000 battle-dead that have been killed in all this century's international and domestic wars. Yet the probable number of murders by the Soviet Union alone--one communist country-- well surpasses this cost of war. And those murders of communist China almost equal it. - R.J. Rummel
R.J. Rummel is a liar, working for evil corporations.
Does that about sum it up?
Deo Vindice
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trueblue
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i'm sorry but this is just a case of mad mullah apologists. what if israel had said the same thing about iran, you would be out on the streets protesting. i suspect that as soon iran starts building it's nuclear weapons mossad will carry out a sneaky attack and goodon them.
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kalashnikov
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| Quote: | | The Soviet State never existed |
The Soviet State did exist. Leninist theory talks of the withering away of the state in the higher stage of socialist society (see The State and Revolution chapter 5), this cannot happen in isolation, which was exactly the state of affairs in the Soviet Union.
| Quote: | | The Berlin Wall was built to keep corrupt Westerners out. |
The Berlin wall had nothing in common with true socialism.
| Quote: | | Pol Pot was a victim of a corrupt Western Press. |
You won’t find any genuine Marxists who support Pol Pot.
| Quote: | | Cuba IS a paradise, however it has a shortage of Toilet Paper due to US Imperialism. |
Cuba is a far better place to live that many other countries in the world. Yes they do struggle to attain certain things due to blockades, but things like unemployment, homelessness and illiteracy have been abolished whilst healthcare, dental treatment and education are completely free. Find me another country on earth than can share these claims.
| Quote: | | There are no underage prostitutes in Cuba. |
There are all sorts of things that go on behind closed doors all over the world. Certainly the idea that Cuba is a paedophiles paradise is a fabrication of the Miami mafia, but again there will be no country on earth that will not have at least a handful of adults having sex with children.
| Quote: | | Stalin DID NOT have Trotsky murdered, that is a lie cooked up by corrupt officials of the press. |
Trotsky was murdered by an agent of Joseph Stalin, his name was Ramon Mercader.
| Quote: | | There were no Soviet Gulags as the Soviet State never existed. |
Both false.
| Quote: | | Hugo Chavez does NOT live in a palace in Caracas, he is Robin Hood reborn and lives on the street with his beloved people. |
Hugo Chavez, as elected president, works at the presidential palace in Caracas, just as every other Venezuelan president has done so…
| Quote: | | Che Guevarra was innocent of the charges of killing innocent civilians and was murdered by the slaves of Capitalism. |
Ernesto fought in wars, people die in wars. And yes, he was eventually murdered by the USA.
| Quote: | | Lenin and his lieutenants did NOT order the murder of the Romanov household (children, servants and all) , they most likely committed suicide. |
This family was a figurehead for counter-revolution, their existence was causing a lot of deaths as terrorist attacks were carried out to free them. Revolution is not a tea party, the correct decision was taken. How many people had this family executed during its reign of terror in power?
| Quote: | In sum the communist probably have murdered something like 110,000,000, or near two-thirds of all those killed by all governments, quasi-governments, and guerrillas from 1900 to 1987. Of course, the world total itself it shocking. It is several times the 38,000,000 battle-dead that have been killed in all this century's international and domestic wars. Yet the probable number of murders by the Soviet Union alone--one communist country-- well surpasses this cost of war. And those murders of communist China almost equal it. - R.J. Rummel
R.J. Rummel is a liar, working for evil corporations. |
R.J. Rummel is a fantasist and his statistics are absurd. His use of the word “communist” also suggests that he has no idea of what communism actually is.
| Quote: | | Does that about sum it up? |
Well, as they say, it takes one second to write a lie and a lot longer to refute it.
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kalashnikov
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Chavez Says Americas Summit Will Serve to Bury FTAA
Football legend Diego Maradona with Hugo Chavez.
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trueblue
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| sandmountainslim wrote: | Let me get my "truths" down so that I will better fit in in these parts.
The Soviet State never existed
The Berlin Wall was built to keep corrupt Westerners out.
Pol Pot was a victim of a corrupt Western Press.
Cuba IS a paradise, however it has a shortage of Toilet Paper due to US Imperialism.
There are no underage prostitutes in Cuba.
Stalin DID NOT have Trotsky murdered, that is a lie cooked up by corrupt officials of the press.
There were no Soviet Gulags as the Soviet State never existed.
Hugo Chavez does NOT live in a palace in Caracas, he is Robin Hood reborn and lives on the street with his beloved people.
Che Guevarra was innocent of the charges of killing innocent civilians and was murdered by the slaves of Capitalism.
Lenin and his lieutenants did NOT order the murder of the Romanov household (children, servants and all) , they most likely committed suicide.
In sum the communist probably have murdered something like 110,000,000, or near two-thirds of all those killed by all governments, quasi-governments, and guerrillas from 1900 to 1987. Of course, the world total itself it shocking. It is several times the 38,000,000 battle-dead that have been killed in all this century's international and domestic wars. Yet the probable number of murders by the Soviet Union alone--one communist country-- well surpasses this cost of war. And those murders of communist China almost equal it. - R.J. Rummel
R.J. Rummel is a liar, working for evil corporations.
Does that about sum it up?
Deo Vindice
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your mad!
deluded.
brainwashed!
where is the new ssy website. i miss it!
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sandmountainslim
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Rinty
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 2:46 pm Post subject: eh |
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| Quote: | | I suppose next you will tell me that there was no Soviet State for all those decades or that Pol Pot was a supporter of Anarchy? |
That really is way off. What you said was that the marxists in your movement advocate total state control. You may find examples of "marxists" govt that did or do exercise state control and the debate would then be whether these govts can be considered marxist.
My point, though, is that the marxists in the League of the South would be unlikely (if they exist) to advocate state control and if they did either need to refer to themselves as something other than marxists or read Marx over again.
I wont even reply to your subsequent mad rant as I am sick of Americans going down that road every time I try to correct their often misinformed view of marxism/communism. |
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sandmountainslim
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 3:42 pm Post subject: Re: eh |
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| Rinty wrote: | | Quote: | | I suppose next you will tell me that there was no Soviet State for all those decades or that Pol Pot was a supporter of Anarchy? |
My point, though, is that the marxists in the League of the South would be unlikely (if they exist) to advocate state control and if they did either need to refer to themselves as something other than marxists or read Marx over again.
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Oh there are indeed Marxists in the LoS, however we work with them toward a common goal. My point about Marxism is that there has never been a Marxist State which done business anywhere near the way you say the ideal Marxist State will function, they all become a dictatorship with the chosen few recieving all the goods and the commoners recieving very little, again I use Erich Honecker as a prime example.
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You may ask what I propose as the true solution to the problem of Marxism versus everything else? The answer is Freedom! Not the quasi-freedom as espoused by the Yankee Empire nor the freedom practiced by the Workers State but true and total freedom of the individual, in effect the "Positive Balkanization" of the entire world, the destruction of all central governments and dismantling of United Nations, NATO and every other world body and alliance. Small nation states with local rule and local militias replacing the global armies of today. I have given you the solution, no need to thank me.
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