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azzuri · 'Our Scotland' Fossil Joined: 12 Sep 2005 Posts: 3777

The article below states the view that there were about 4 or 5 different groups involved in the Dublin riots:

The article is quite difficult to read but worth going through it if you can:

see - http://www.hotpress.com/politics/wholehog/2855071.html?page=2

for the article online. That only gives the first 80% of the article - but is much easier to read obviously!

What do folk think about this?

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RBK · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:52 pm Post subject:

The part about welcoming Orangemen to Dublin,is true in words,but not in deeds. As I have stated on here before, the tricolour is a joke.

They claim, the orange in it represents the unionist faith,tradition and culture.

Witness Ardoyne. Witness Dunloy. Witness Lower Ormeau. Witness Garvaghy Rd and there is a few more that could be added to the list. Bottles Bricks Petrol Bombs being thrown at Unionists certainly doesnt show respect for their viewpoint,faith,culture and tradition.

I would say,come out and be honest about it, 'Orange Bastards' is not just a cry or a phrase its a gut feeling and a hatred.

The honourable thing would be to 'take it down from the mast' or at least take the orange out of it.......and stop living a lie.

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parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

what does unionists attacking civil rights marchers say about how unionists wont tolerate catholics then? lets be honest......see the similarities there.
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RBK · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:34 pm Post subject:

parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

so you admit then that unionists are just inherently anti catholic? you also conveniantly ignore the fact that oo marches take place at the boyne and in donegal.
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Aventinian · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:48 pm Post subject:

parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

he didnt question my asertion in his reply. his reply was to show that people in the free state were sectarian as well.
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RBK · Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:56 am Post subject:

parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

azzuri · 'Our Scotland' Fossil Joined: 12 Sep 2005 Posts: 3777

parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

figures have shown that 59% of catholics wish to see ireland united and i think it was 97% of protestants wish to see the sox counties remain as part of the UK so in terms of unionists religion certainly does seem to matter a great deal. also the largest unionist party is headed by a religious fundamentalist.
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azzuri · 'Our Scotland' Fossil Joined: 12 Sep 2005 Posts: 3777

it doesn't matter the percentages, it's not exclusive.

By your own admission only 59% of Catholics in NI want to see a United Ireland. Therefore the other 41% can accurately be described as 'Unionists', no?
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RBK · Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:48 pm Post subject:

Darn it. I'll have to remember to keep saying unionist instead of P********* on this site.

So o.k. then. When they were bricking,bottling,bombing,murdering......Unionists. But yet you are allowed to use the term....catholic. I'll have to see the boul gerry about discrimination on this site Sad

Were not the R.C. priests involved with republican murder gangs. But as I said earlier...they are more devious/astute at covering their tracks.

But stick to the point......Take it down from the mast.

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RBK · Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:44 pm Post subject:

Just some of the P********** done to death by the brave 'soldiers' of irish republicanism....

Darkley
On 20 November 1983 </othelem/chron/ch83.htm> three members of the Mountain Lodge Pentecostal Church, Darkley near Keady, County Armagh, were shot dead and seven others injured. Although the attack was claimed by the 'Catholic Reaction Force' (CRF) it is widely accepted that the CRF was a covername used by the Irish National Liberation Army (INLA).
Kingsmills
On 5 January 1976 </othelem/chron/ch76.htm> ten Protestant civilians were shot dead by the Republican Action Force (RAF) when their minibus was stopped at a bogus security checkpoint at Kingsmills, near Bessbrook, County Armagh. The RAF was believed to be a covername used by some members of the Irish Republican Army (IRA) from south Armagh.
La Mon
On 17 February 1978 </othelem/chron/ch78.htm> and incendiary device exploded at the La Mon Hotel, Gransha, near Belfast. The Irish Republican Army (IRA) later claimed responsibility for the attack in which twelve people, all Protestant civilians, were killed and 23 badly injured.
Teebane
On 17 January 1992 </othelem/chron/ch92.htm> the Irish Republican Army (IRA) exploded a bomb killing eight Protestant civilians who had been travelling in a minibus past Teebane crossroads between Cookstown and Omagh, County Tyrone. The men had been working at a military base in County Tyrone and were travelling home when the attack occurred.

Tullyvallen"The Tullyvallen Orange Hall Massacre"
1th September 1975 - 5 people dead
(Tullyvallen Massacre)
The Tullyvallen Massacre victims are as follows:-
William McKee Protestant Civilian farmer, 70 yrs married with five children
James McKee Protestant Civilian farmer, 40 yrs.
Nevin McConnell Protestant Civilian livestock market manager, 40 yrs.
John Johnson Protestant retired farmer 80 yrs
William Herron died two days after the IRA attack on the Orange Hall
The Provisional IRA attacked Tullyvallen Orange Hall on the Altnamackin road near Newtownhamilton. They attacked as the members of the 'Guiding Star Temperance Orange Lodge met as usual to hold their monthly meeting.

Testimony of a Darkley Gospel Hall Survivor
Recently I have started thinking about something that happened to me a few years back, in fact it will be fifteen years in November, although it does not seem that long. It comes back to me around the same time every year when the kids in our estate start messing about with bangers and other fireworks, not that it ever leaves you, it puts you off leaving the house, it sends my mind racing is it kids or what? Sometimes I dread to think what is going on. After it all happened I used to be afraid when my mum went to work. I used to think what if they came to get us because our photos were in the papers and I would wonder where we could hide if they came to the house and sprayed it with gunfire.

That's what went through my head when I was the eleven year old girl who thought she would be safe in Church. My brother was also there with me and so were a few of our friends that we played with. It was that night of all nights that my parents didn't allow us to go. But we sneaked out anyway; we thought she wouldn't notice that we had left the estate, but someone must have told them that we were there.
My aunts sister lives near Mountain Lodge in Darkley and she had drove past when the shooting had taken place and my aunt had went and told my mum what had happened. She was frantic with worry not knowing if we were alive or dead. It was fifteen minutes past six o'clock when it all happened. the hymn that was playing was, washed in the blood of the lamb, I don't know why but even before that all happened I never liked that hymn much. Then suddenly, bang, bang and the man behind us shouted at us to get down.
At first I though was this a joke? Is it fireworks? But Halloween was over what was going on? The girl I was sitting with was bigger than me, she had landed on top of me, but when I lifted my head to see what was going on a man came running up the aisle with blood coming out of his mouth and holding his stomach, a sight which I will never forget, and which I pray I will never see again and pray my children will never see. My brother, then stood up and seen something red he said they had like red masks on. I didn't dare look I was so scared, when I had seen the blood I knew it was no joke.
After the shooting had stopped there were people crying, some dying, even dead. It did not take long before the police came and ambulances came, even then none of us was sure of what had happened. The police then took us out into a hall at the back of the Church, away from where the bodies were lying. I suppose they did not want us to see what was going on, but it was horrible.
When I think back now I don't think I realised there was death around me or what death really meant, I shouldn't have known or seen death I was only eleven yars old.
We did not stay in the hall long before the police escorted us home. On the way home I kept thinking something was going to happen and how much trouble we were going to be in for sneaking off when we were told not to go. When we got home mum was crying and was just glad to see we were ok.
My brother went on to bed because he was more afraid of what mum would say. Next day we didn't go to school and a policeman came out and took statements of us. One boy had gone back to school next day to tell his friends all about the ordeal that had taken place the night before.
Personally I think there should have been counsellors to talk to each and everyone of us to explain to us what had happened and how to go on. Thankfully most of us coped alright, but it's at times like this, when you hear that prisoners are getting out and getting compensated for doing a short stretch and we have to go on uncompensated, just glad to be here, to be alive and live with when they have done to us and maybe all start again. That is what might happen if the IRA don't disarm.
I sometimes have nightmares that they are going to come and take-over the estate, like something you see in a war film. I hope someday there is peace because too many have suffered in this war Catholics as well as Protestants.

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SLG · Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:54 pm Post subject:

RBK · Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:48 pm Post subject:

parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

those involved in both incidents at darkley and kingsmill were executed for their part in those events, they were not sanctioned by their military councils. also where are your facts that the majority have been targetted because they are protestant? the majority of republican targets have been RUC and british army. the vast, vast majority of other casualties have occured during the bombing campaigns.

what about loyalist paramilitaries though you never seem to criticise their campaigns which i dont even think you can in anyway claim were anything other than sectarian. if you do condemn loyalist paramilitaries do you also condemn the uup and dup who have been more than happy to work with such groups when it has suited their agenda.

also you should note that incidents such as kingsmill occured against a backdrop of serious sectarian attacks against catholics and the facts are that this attack was in relation to those, in no way do i condone these attacks i am simply pointing out their context. must have been the irish scots in the loyalists that made them murder catholics eh.
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RBK · Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 4:23 pm Post subject:

parkhead_rfb · Getting on a bit! Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 1974

first of all i comment far more on modern matters relating to scotland than many who are registered on this forum.

i have never hidden the fact that i recognise the legitimate right for armed republicans to wage an armed campaign but i do not sit and romantacise the realities of that conflict, yes republicans murder people but that is the nature of war. had the problems behind the conflict been tackled in the first instance then a political solution could have been reached much sooner. But i will never hide the fact, nor am i ashamed, of stating my understanding for the actions republicans took.

also you state that you do not support loyalist paramilitaries, well then who do you support? the pup are linked to paramilitaries and both the UUP and DUP have been more than willing to enage with them when the situation suited.
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