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SLG · Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 2:58 pm Post subject:

I picked one year at random. Even with 5 months, it's still going to be a long sustained campaign. I'm just interested in the form that the campaign will take from both sides. Especially how it plays in the Unionist parties who have a significant number of members who are pro-Independence, and what outside influences (from outside of Scotland) are brought to bear.

Neil · Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 1:28 pm Post subject:

The interesting thing about the BBC reporting is not what it says but what it ignores.

Instead of doing a travelogue "beautiful coast & rugged mountains"they could mention that the government is in the hands of people who "benefit personally" from western aid deals, that the place is swarming with Albanian & Commora gangsters (even a travelogue should say that), that thousands of ex-pats, some very dubiously so, have been flown in purely to vote, that 300,000 Montenegrans in Serbia are disenfeanchised, that the media is strongly state controlled (the BBC may not be able to tell), the unslilved murders of pro-Serbian leaders, EU threats if they don't vote as told, the role of the KLA in recruiting Albanian voters (again some of dubious nationality), the promise of the KLA to either seek the right of Albanian areas to secede or for Montenegro's "union" with ethnically cleansed Kosovo.

I would not wish to suggest that this report represents any thing other than the highest journalistic standards of the BBC but it is pure pro-Nato/Nazi propaganda.

Who runs the BBC after independence & who pays for it?
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Neil · Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:58 pm Post subject:

Pro-KLA Albanian tourists who helped the "independence" campaign are gearing up for the next stage. During the independence campaign they openly said they wanted either for part of Montenegro to be given to Albania or for a union of the countries.

"Thousands of extremists dressed as tourists were charging at the police, chanting slogans supporting the terrorist OVK [disbanded Kosovo Liberation Army], and members of the Ministry of Internal Affairs failed to react adequately," said a statement by [the SNS] information service head, Jovan Vucurovic.

......."Only naive people can believe that this was a spontaneous gathering of over 2,000 persons, and the SNS openly suspects that this was a well-organized action and that those whom [Kosovo Prime Minister] Agim Ceku and [Democratic Party of Kosovo chairman] Hashim Thaci recently praised for their selfless participation in the dissolution of the country were also among the protesters,"
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The aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
H. L. Mencken

SLG · Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:22 pm Post subject:

SNS - is that the Serb People's Party?

Neil · Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:50 am Post subject:

That's right.
The party that officially got 44.7% of the vote (the other side counted the votes & they needed 55%) & whose leader hasn't been indicted in Italy for smuggling billions of cigarette.

Our media didn't find the former suspicious or the latter, & numerous other crimes, worth reporting.
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SLG · Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 2:31 pm Post subject:

Regarding thousands of Albanians protesting for Montenegrin independence, I would prefer to see evidence from a source more independent than the SNS.

According to wikipedia, there is only one region of Montenegro (out of 21) where Albanians form a majority. Is that what you are saying the Albanians are after? I can't imagine how there could be a full Union when the Montenegrins have just voted for independence, and the Serbian population would never go for it.

Neil · Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:45 pm Post subject:

Well you certainly weren't going to see it on the BBC but I hopr nobody would call these corrupt Nazi liars independent. Who would you count as a suitable independent source?

At the end of WW2 Albanians formed only 40% of Kosovo's population. now it ahs been largely ethnicly cleansed. If it can be done once then, naturally, the threat is there that they & we will do it again.
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SLG · Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:08 pm Post subject:

Neil · Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:54 pm Post subject:

You are doubting the source - what source would you regard as honestl, assuming we agree that the UK media, having lied deliberately for 16 years to assist Nazis to commit genocide, isn't honest? I don't think you can point to any occasion when the Yugoslav media has failed to prove itself vastly more honest than ours. If you do not accept this source then surely the onus is on you to say what source you would & why.

On the 2nd point - No there was not an Albanian majority then. Tito did prevent 150,000 Serbs who had been cleansed under the Italians, from returning but even than Albanians were only 40%. After the war, being a good multiculturalist communitst Tito allowed essentially unlimited immigration from Albania (a good place to leave), Albanians had larger families & the Albanian community engaged in low level violence against others. With great success. This is also currently happening in Macedonia with obvious NATO support so it would be quite astonishing if our genocidal KLA friends were not to try it in Macedonia & to get the help of our genocidal leaders, again.
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SLG · Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:10 pm Post subject:

Neil · Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:42 pm Post subject:

Firstly I will acknowledge that I have no other source for the riot, which I don't think is particularly surprising since I don't read the languages local papers are printed in & obvioulsy it is unlikely to make our papers. Nonetheless I think it hardly likely that they would have lied about this even had they had a good reason to do so. Montenegro is a very small place & it is hardly likely that riots could pass unnoticed. Any party which made up a story like that which everbody knew to be rubbish would look ridiculous.

On your 2nd point I do not think NATO have been encouraging democracy & economic development so far, quite the reverse, they have been encouraging genocide & economic catastrophe. Albania & Albanins are useful catspaws for terrorising Serbia & as long as they encourage Albanian irridentism they keep them in play. As to why an Albanian would wish to colonise land he moves to for Albania - I am afraid that is just the nasty side of nationalismI

I will accept that I am, perhaps overly, touchy on the subject of the credibility of Serbian or pro-Serbian news sources having seen them always treated as liars & ours treated as being at least somewhat honest. If Serbian news publishes a story about a riot happening I tend to believe it unless there is evidence to the contrary.

By comparison here (part 2)http://a-place-to-stand.blogspot.com/2005/02/sod-off-swampy.html is what I think a rether amusing story of how the BBC competely misreported what was legally a riot, reporting verbatim a press release by one of the bodies the BBC, impartially, supports.
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SLG · Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:06 pm Post subject:

Sorry, I thought I replied to this the other day, the post must not have gone through for some reason.

Neil · Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:59 pm Post subject:

We seem to be in pretty close agrement. Logicaly you are quite right that NATO don't need to kill any more Serbs. Unfortunately once you get into a bad habit it gets difficult to stop & it is clear that the EU are still keen on using EU tariff barriers to keep Serbia poor while Rumanin, Bulgaria & even Croatia & Bosnia are being lined up to join. I think the separation of Montenegro was simply that NATO have got used to pulling the wings off flies & cannot trust them not to keep doing so.

Partly this may be the German racial hatred I have refered to before, although to be fair to ordinary Germans there has actually been a public backlash in favour of Serbia - something not seen here. This may be because the Germans at least know a bit of the history of the place while most people here & in the US know nothing beyond the lies the media tell them.

I agree with you about the BBC handling of the swampy story with the caveat that they would never have just taken a story verbatim from one party unless it was a party they were impartially in bed with. Since there are always an ifinite number of stories the BBC rarely have to lie themselves they can merely repeat the lies of approved sources.
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The aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
H. L. Mencken