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ProudToBeAScotsGirl · No Longer a Wean Joined: 03 Mar 2006 Posts: 67

I am sorry but that really makes no sense at all. I did read how Scotland became part of the Union, I know the story, and it's pretty obvious Scotland didn't want it, especially with the bribe evidence. You are trying to say Scotland is Independent because the United Kingdom is independent. That's the same argument as "we are independent because we are the United Kingdom" !!! Really, all you have done here is ruffle everyone’s feathers. Like I said, it's respectable to have solid arguments and debates on the independence issue. But you haven't had any solid arguments, supporting evidence, or anything needed to make what you say worth reading. I don't know about you, but I am here to learn to speak for Scotland with honesty, respect, and knowledge of the issue.

Highlander · I Love 'Our Scotland' Joined: 09 Apr 2006 Posts: 298

BonnieBlueFlag · Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 4:58 am Post subject:

Holding on to the Union is like holding on to the titanic. We were part of the greatest empire in history, but ITS OVER! Get over it. Look at the future, look at Europe! Small countries can make it and thrive, geo-politics and economics are changing, we arent living in 1707 anymore and we arent going to war with England every 5mins now. Why hold on to the past?
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ProudToBeAScotsGirl · No Longer a Wean Joined: 03 Mar 2006 Posts: 67

Highlander · I Love 'Our Scotland' Joined: 09 Apr 2006 Posts: 298

ProudToBeAScotsGirl · No Longer a Wean Joined: 03 Mar 2006 Posts: 67

Highlander · I Love 'Our Scotland' Joined: 09 Apr 2006 Posts: 298

I know what it is but I don't believe you do. The people of Scotland are not a race. They may be culturally defined but we certainly are not a race and I don't like how you imply that we are.

Highlander · I Love 'Our Scotland' Joined: 09 Apr 2006 Posts: 298

ProudToBeAScotsGirl · No Longer a Wean Joined: 03 Mar 2006 Posts: 67

SLG · Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 10:20 am Post subject:

I wouldn't call the Scots a race, but then I don't really believe in race as a concept full stop. I would define the Scots as a nation and nationality with various distinct characteristics mainly cultural. As a whole population there will probably be some genetic features that distinguish Scots from other populations but I wouldn't go so far as to say that constitutes being a race. PTBASG, there's really no point arguing with Highlander as he chooses not to read your definition of race on cultural, geographical and historical grounds. Unless you are arguing based on the same definition then there is no point.

IF Convenor · Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 11:33 am Post subject:

I'd like to just say a few words about Darien (the Central American colony under discussion).

Darien was a brilliant idea. It is, after all, very similar to the Panama Canal, except the Darien idea was to transport the cargos overland and load them onto different ships at either end of the isthmus.

My main point about Darien is that it was a private enterprise and, while it certainly bankrupted many of its investors, it did not bankrupt Scotland itself. At the time of Union in 1707 Scotland had very low taxes and no significant national debt. England, on the other hand, was constantly fighting foreign wars and consequently had a massive national debt and high taxes. This is why the Act of Union deals almost exclusively with economic matters and is mainly concerned with compensating Scotland for the higher levels of debt and taxation it was to be subjected to after Union.

Remember, history is written by the victors so you need to investigate a bit for yourself rather than just accept what is written in popular history books.
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Highlander · I Love 'Our Scotland' Joined: 09 Apr 2006 Posts: 298

IF Convenor · Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 5:21 pm Post subject:

At Darien???
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wisnaeme · Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 7:11 pm Post subject:

the bard of keppoch · Nationalist Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 113

if convenor,i did'nt know you were a lover of colonialism.
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IF Convenor · Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:01 pm Post subject:

I am not. What have I said to give such an impression?

Perhaps it was my statement that Darien was a brilliant idea? Let me clarify that; the idea of taking over somebody else's land and subjugating the population is not brilliant. Quite the opposite, in fact. What was brilliant was the idea behind the colony, the reason that particular place was chosen for a colony. The idea was to provide a shortcut between the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans by transporting freight overland across the Isthmus of Panama. The idea would have worked and made everyone involved a great deal of money if it hadn't been sabotaged by foreign powers for their own ends. The proof that the idea would have been a great success is the existence and commercial success of the Panama Canal, which does the exact same job as the Darien Scheme intended, except entire ships are transported across the isthmus rather than just their cargo.

You have to look at history within the ethos of the time, and at the time of Darien it was acceptable to just grab land overseas and hold it by force of arms. I don't love or even support colonialism, I just accept it as part of our history which cannot be changed.

To repeat myself, I do not support colonialism and I do not like the idea of Scotland having had colonies, but the purpose of the Darien colony was a stroke of genius.
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the bard of keppoch · Nationalist Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 113

convenor i just tippled what u meant by being a brilliant idea,the concept of transportation across land ? saving weeks of sailing round the horn. ive smoked to much skunk before reading this post
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wisnaeme · Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:33 pm Post subject:

SF102 · Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:25 pm Post subject:

From what i can see . . .we paid just over 7 grand for a bunch of rocks and some heather . . . .we was robbed

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