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Abieuan Standing in a Council Ward
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 6:41 pm Post subject: Kernow |
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Mebyon Kernow largest group on Camborne Council
Mebyon Kernow has won a by-election to secure a sixth seat on the Council and is now the largest group.
Mebyon Kernow 6
LibDems 5
Labour 5
Conservative 1
Independent 1
www.mebyonkernow.org
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Leathlaobhair No Longer a Wean

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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:34 am Post subject: |
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I can't remember if they have an MP. Regardless, I think that when Scotland gains independence the dominos will fall in other Celtic nations. _________________ Those must have all been important to me once. What I am now grew from that. A former self is a fool, an insufferable ass, but he's still human, you'd no more turn him out than you'd turn out any kind of cripple, would you?
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Abieuan Standing in a Council Ward
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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No Mebyon Kernow MP's yet, Leathlaobhair, all six Cornish MP's are from the LiberalDemocratic Party.
Sadly, it is hard to envisage MK making a breakthrough in Westminster elections at the moment.
The main goal is devolution in the form of a Cornish Assembley. I belive this will be achieved and that it will be elected by some form of proportional representation like in the Scottish Parliament.
I'm sure MK would be well represented and have more support than the Labour or Conservative parties.
Winning over LibDem voters would the main task, as is winning over Labour voters for SNP and Plaid Cymru. |
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Abieuan Standing in a Council Ward
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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MK wins Camborne Town Council by-election
Mebyon Kernow – the Party for Cornwall has strengthened its position as the largest group on Camborne Town Council after winning a further council seat in a by-election (Thursday 27th October).
This now means that Mebyon Kernow has seven councillors on Camborne Town Council. The Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats both have five and there is a single Conservative. |
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Abieuan Standing in a Council Ward
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Abieuan Standing in a Council Ward
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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Cornwall Commonwealth Games Association
| Quote: | | Today, exactly one year after the start of the Campaign, the CCGA are pleased to announce that a formal application has been sent to the Chief Executive of the Commonwealth Games Federation Mr Mike Hooper, for Cornwall (Kernow) to become full members of the aforesaid organisation, and to take part in all future Commonwealth Games. Copies of the application have also be sent to all Commonwealth Games Councils / Federations across the World. |
More info at:
http://home.btconnect.com/graham-hart/campaign-latest.htm |
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Abieuan Standing in a Council Ward
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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Ten things you didn't know about Cornwall
1.Cornwall is legally an extra territorial land from England and not an administrative county which it has illegally been for near on 400 years .
2. No record exists of any formal annexation of Cornwall to England.
3. Cornwall, like Wales, was not party to the Act of Union in 1707.
4. 90% of Cornish place names are of celtic origin and derived from the Cornish language.
5. Cornwall's right to its own sovereign Parliament, and the powers it pocesses under the Charter of Pardon were confirmed as valid in British law by the Lord Chancellor in 1977.
6. Cornwall is an older nation than England and one of the oldest Duchies in Europe.
7. There is no mention in the " Anglo-Saxon Chronicles " that Cornwall was ever conquered by the English .
8. Many treaty's and documents up until the 18th century made reference to there being a distinction between England and Cornubia ( Cornwall ) .
9. Henry VIII listed England and Cornwall separately, in the list of his realms given in his Coronation address.
10. Before the 1960's, there was little difference between Cornwall and Wales in constitutional terms.
Give yourself a mark out of ten and post your score. |
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SLG Born Again..........and still Scottish!

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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 1:46 am Post subject: |
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| Abieuan wrote: | | 5. Cornwall's right to its own sovereign Parliament, and the powers it pocesses under the Charter of Pardon were confirmed as valid in British law by the Lord Chancellor in 1977. |
Well, I knew 3 and 10. So I guess 2 out of 10 for me.
If this is truly the case (point no 5, above), would it not just take a challenge in court to see the evidence aired, and lead to a constitutional crisis? |
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Abieuan Standing in a Council Ward
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Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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SLG, as i did not feel confident enough to reply myself, although i did think you were right, i have asked for clarification from Kernow:
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If this is truly the case (point no 5, above), would it not just take a challenge in court to see the evidence aired, and lead to a constitutional crisis?
In the absence of any other reply to this query, may I say that the answer is a resounding 'YES!'
Without presuming to speak for the CSP, this is precisely what they have been aiming to achieve by their various actions but their actions are invariably thwarted by everything the State legal system can throw in the way to delay or confuse the issues.
A visit to http://www.cornish-stannary-parliament.abelgratis.com/ may help. Some of the issues are also discussed on the TGG site under 'Pro-Cornish Actions' [English Heritage] and [Constitution]
The English Imperial State is a legal bulldozer to get past on the way to getting the Cornish Question addressed in Strasbourg. Hopefully, the proposed book on Cornish Law [2006??] will provide some further ammunition to take this forward given the Cornish political will and the endless funds that seem to be the real obstacle to achieving Cornish Justice.
For some reason, the Crown and Duchy (and Westminster) seem to be above the law!! Whilst they, and their predecessors, have pointed the gun, it is the ordinary people, however, that are pulling the trigger to destroy us - like a State funded and protected sniper in a busy market place!
Doesn't take much imagination to understand why there is resistance from the Imperial States to have the broader aspects of genocide (cultural and economic) kept out of the UN definitions - does it?
Nadelek Lowen ha Bledhen Noweth Da!
TGG
Kernow TGG
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See www.cornwall24.co.uk |
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Abieuan Standing in a Council Ward
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 9:34 pm Post subject: Cornish out of running for Games |
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From the BBC:
| Quote: | Cornish out of running for Games
A Cornish team will not be lining up in Melbourne say organisers
Cornish nationalists applying to be allowed to enter a team in the Commonwealth Games have been told they have no chance.
Campaigners want to send a team under the black-and-white flag of St Piran to the 2006 Games in Melbourne, Australia.
They say that Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man compete separately.
But Mike Hooper, chief executive of the Commonwealth Games Federation (CGF), said Cornwall is no more than an English county and had no chance.
Mr Hooper urged the campaigners to take up the issue with politicians rather than with the CGF.
He said: "We welcome all athletes from the Commonwealth to participate in the games. How they enter is determined by how their country is recognised in the political sphere.
"Clearly all the athletes from Cornwall are eligible to represent England at the games, which is fine as they are part of England."
Undaunted, Graham Hart, a musician from Camborne, has formed the Cornwall Commonwealth Games Association (CCGA).
'Raises opportunities'
He said: "I challenge anyone in authority to tell me what is the downside of this application for Cornwall. It raises standards and it raises opportunities.
"We are talking about the Celtic nation of Cornwall. We are administered as a county but we are not a county."
Mr Hart, honorary secretary of the CCGA, added: "We've got fantastic sporting people down here - we would have one hell of a rugby sevens team."
The CCGA counts ex-England rugby international Brian "Stack" Stevens and Great Britain runner Dave Buzza among its committee members.
The breakaway Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus also recently applied to compete independently in the games, but was rejected because it is not internationally recognised.
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Abieuan Standing in a Council Ward
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | But Mike Hooper, chief executive of the Commonwealth Games Federation (CGF), said Cornwall is no more than an English county and had no chance. |
An inflamatory and political statement by Mr Hooper.
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| Quote: | | Mr Hooper urged the campaigners to take up the issue with politicians rather than with the CGF. |
I'm sure Mr Hooper knows that this is solely a matter for the CGF:
| Quote: | "A reply from the Sport, Media and Culture Minister the Rt Hon Richard Caborn MP, was received on the 21st of March 2005 ." It stated that :
"Participation in the Commonwealth Games is not a matter for the Government but falls within the remit of the Commonwealth Games Committee ( CGF ) who are the supreme authority in all matters affecting the Commonwealth Games ". |
It will be a long and winding road for the Cornish to gain recognition by the CGF, and it may take a legal case to prove that Kernow is included in Article 11
| Quote: | | Article 11 of the Commonwealth Games' constitution states: "The federation shall consider any fit applications for affiliation from a sports body from any recognised Commonwealth country, colony, or dependent or associated territory." |
The CCGA do not intend to give up, Mr Hart has since said:
| Quote: | | Where we are now is of no surprise to us and we were expecting this and are ready to respond. |
| Quote: | | Do not be downhearted. WE WILL WIN THIS CAMPAIGN.Melbourne is now not possible but I do expect us to be in Delhi in 2010. |
I look forward to seeing a Kernow team competing alongside Scotland in the future. |
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Rinty Jim Baxter is God...........really!!!!

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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:54 pm Post subject: f |
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Does cornwall have it's own independent sporting associations? If so it should have, this would be a pre-requisite for taking part in international competition.
UEFA and FIFA in football are merely associations of national associations. Scotland Wales England and Northern Ireland have separate football associations so all can join in, likewise San Marino who use italian currency are policed by Italy and have no professional football set up.
Are there any pro or semi-pro football teams in Cornwall? |
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Abieuan Standing in a Council Ward
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | UEFA and FIFA in football are merely associations of national associations. Scotland Wales England and Northern Ireland have separate football associations so all can join in, likewise San Marino who use italian currency are policed by Italy and have no professional football set up. |
I wonder if it as simple as this ?
The Bretons did form their own football association and have played one international ( against an African team i think ) but i doubt if it was UEFA or FIFA sanctioned.
Also, about two weeks ago, Galicia played an international against Uruguay - winning 3-2 !
| Quote: | | Are there any pro or semi-pro football teams in Cornwall? |
There is not so much interest in football in Kernow - they are rugby mad, although interest is growing with each new generation.
The Cornish do have their own Cornwall Rugby Football Union http://www.cornwall-rfu.org.uk/
| Quote: | | The Cornwall Rugby Football Union (The CRFU)The CRFU was formed in 1883. It is a Union of the 39 Rugby Football Clubs in Cornwall and is in membership with the Rugby Football Union. The structure of the Cornwall RFU involves all the Cornish Clubs, the Cornwall Senior XV, the Cornwall Under 20 XV and the associated bodies of the Cornwall 18 Group Clubs, the Cornwall Schools (18 Group), the Cornwall Schools (16 Group), the Cornwall Mini-Junior Rugby Group and the Cornwall Rugby Referees Society. All teams representing Cornwall play in Black and Gold colours. |
The Cornwall National/County team have great support and reached the finals of the county championship twice in the 1990s (winning once) and took 50,000 supporters with them to Twickenham.
These are Trelawny's Army, http://www.trelawnys-army.org.uk/ ,the equivalent of our Tartan Army.
BTW there is a Cornish tartan and some of them wear Cornish tartan kilts ! |
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Rinty Jim Baxter is God...........really!!!!

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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:04 pm Post subject: h |
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| Quote: | | BTW there is a Cornish tartan and some of them wear Cornish tartan kilts ! |
With jimmy hats and caterpillar boots? |
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Blackleaf Confirmed TROLL

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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Cornwall is just an English county, but I think the Scots should give the Shetlands back to Norway, or give them to England, because I think that's what most of the Shetlanders want. The Shetlanders don't like the Scots. They call Scotland "The land of bad grain and greedy ministers." |
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Blackleaf Confirmed TROLL

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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | 7. There is no mention in the " Anglo-Saxon Chronicles " that Cornwall was ever conquered by the English . |
There's may be no mention of it, but it doesn't mean it never happened.
Ethelstan invaded Cornwall in 925.
Even Scotland was invaded by the Saxons - who do you think founded Edinburgh?
| Quote: | 4. 90% of Cornish place names are of celtic origin and derived from the Cornish language.
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Most English placenames are foreign in origin, not just those in Cornwall. London, founded by the Romans, was called Londinium. Most places with "chester" in them are Roman - Chester, Manchester. Most places ending in "dale" ("valley") are founded by the Danes, such as Wensleydale.
Even Cumbria had its own Celtic language - Cumbric. So if Cumbria is Celtic, is it not a part of England? |
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Blackleaf Confirmed TROLL

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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | No record exists of any formal annexation of Cornwall to England.
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No records also exist of England's annexation of Northumbria (invaded by Ethelstan in the same year he invaded Cornwall) or Mercia or any other place. Cornwall, therefore is no different -
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| Quote: | Cornwall is legally an extra territorial land from England and not an administrative county which it has illegally been for near on 400 years .
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Local Government Act 1988 established Cornwall County Cornwall as an ENGLISH County Council. Legally, now Cornwall is part of England. It doesn't matter when it ceased to be "independent". How were Northumbria, Mercia etc incorporated into England? There is no record of an Act of Union if that's what you are after. If they don't need one, then neither does Cornwall. Britannica and Encarta call Cornwall an English county. I can tell that you haven't read Wikipedia:No original research yet. Here's the gist: it doesn't matter what you can prove or think you can prove on your own. Even if you were to spend ten years in the law library in the Houses of Parliament with Giovanni di Stefano and found some "loophole" in the law which said that Cornwall is an independent country, as far as Wikipedia is concerned, Cornwall is an English county.
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Rinty Jim Baxter is God...........really!!!!

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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:14 pm Post subject: y |
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| Quote: | | Cornwall is just an English county, but I think the Scots should give the Shetlands back to Norway, or give them to England, because I think that's what most of the Shetlanders want. The Shetlanders don't like the Scots. They call Scotland "The land of bad grain and greedy ministers." |
That is just complete nonsense. I've never met anyone in Shetland who wanted the Isalnds to be part of England. It is true they are proud of their Scandinavian roots but there is little or no calls for them to be part of Norway.
Like Norway, however, they share a healthy mistrust of the EU. The Orkneys and Shetlands were the only constituencies in the Uk to vote against joining the common market back in the 70's.
They speak a dialect similar to lowlands scots. They are mainly Scottish and most Scandinavian culture apart from the up hellya festival and a few place names, has died out. It has been over 500 years in Scotland.
In fact Shetland has been a part of Scotland far longer than Scotland has been part of the UK.
Where did you get the idea that Shetlanders called Scotland by that name? I've never heard of it.
At the last Scottish election about a third of voters voted for parties in favour of independence for Scotland. The Lib Dems always win the seat easily, but you should notice that there were no votes for Shetland Independence as the miniscule independence movement (reputedly run by English hippies) died out more than 20 years ago. |
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SLG Born Again..........and still Scottish!

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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd agree with that. The Shetlanders I know are all proud to be Shetlandic and Scots. Proud of their Norse heritage yes, but they would never claim to be Norwegian (or English for that matter). |
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Leathlaobhair No Longer a Wean

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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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I always thought Cornwall was a duchy.
I've the belief that MK will rise. They've just got to spread the Cornish language and cultural awareness, and nationalism begins to build. From then on it's just a snowball, gathering speed & size.
_________________ Those must have all been important to me once. What I am now grew from that. A former self is a fool, an insufferable ass, but he's still human, you'd no more turn him out than you'd turn out any kind of cripple, would you?
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