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thelandisoors On A Journey (500 Miles)

Joined: 09 Nov 2006 Posts: 21 Location: Leith & Lybster
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Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | You HAVE it!
It is called Her Majesty's Government.
Not only did they take the "rich bastards" golf courses but they took your entire nation.
They repay you with Public Health. Isn't that a deal? Freedom for healthcare!
You seem to think it is a good thing for the folks of Venezuala to lose what little freedoms they have left.
What I believe many don't understand is Chavez is not taking away businesses to help the peasantry, he is doing it for his own profit and to support his power structure. I am sure he looks at it as "Let the peasants have a little bread and allow them to think this is all for them but let one peasant speak ill of El Presidente and it shall be a bullet to the head!"
WP
I was speaking of my job as a town councilman not being a member of JRP Laughing I am paid $150 MONTHLY so that tells you I am definately not in it for the money or "power", I have to have another full time job just to eat.
What is "Jefferson" or "Republican" about the JRP?
It is the modern incarnation of the party founded by Jefferson in 1792, that should be enough.
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first, well what the hell does it have to do with Scotland?
second, you watch too much telly. I don't get free healthcare, I pay for mine quite happily either at my herbalists or chiropractor. I don't believe in allopathic medicine because it kills more people than it cures. You don't have much room to talk, Americas healthcare system is a bloomin joke. The FDA allow all these poisons to be used in every processed food in America. The Americans are compliant enough to live almost entirely off processed food and inorganic GM fruit & veg sprayed with herbicides and reared with steriods. Your doctors are controlled by the pharmaceutical companies who prescribe their vaccinations & "miracle" drugs for on or off label use that never work in fact they do quite the reverse and make you pay hundreds or thousands of dollars for the privilege. So, in effect your government poisons you, then they make money off your family dying from the poison through allopathic treatment they order for the cancer & disease it causes. Oh how closely linked the pharmaceutical/petrochemical industrial complex is. At least it is free over here to kill ourselves with allopathic medicine if we so choose... but, you've actually got to pay for it! Now that is a deal!
I know your kind. Paleo-conservative christian patriot right? Is this where Scotland comes into the equation for you? Thomas Jefferson was a freemason? You do realise you should watch who you idolise. Yes, Thomas Jefferson the great agrarian. The great slave driver more like. Considering what ol' TJ was up too and you seem to subscribe to his ideals with rose tinted glasses. Just as Europeans see Chavez in a different light. Our media does not constantly tell lies or provoke fearmongering about Chavez, nor do our Christian leaders or Muslim leaders for that matter get on TV and call for Chavez's assassination unfoundedly. Nor has our government been caught capturing and attempting to kill Chavez in a failed coup detat in 2002. Talk about terrorism.
Yes, you have to have a second job to eat.. just like the rest of America and it isn't going to get any better at the rate it's going either. The worlds largest debtor nation.. the economy is going to hell in a handbasket right before the peoples eyes but, on the tv they tell you that America is the richest, most powerful country in the world. By the time Bush leaves, China will swallow the US up whole with that gargantuan trade deficit. Which brings us to America's fear of Chavez. Deathly afraid of Chavez' killing with kindness all over south and central america, that dirty communist right? Deathly afraid of Venezuela & Irans friendship? Deathly afraid Chavez may take control of the OPEC oil cartel. Bush and the oil boys certainly wouldn't like Hugo to be calling the quotas now would they? That would muck everything up... the oil profits.. the defence profits in time.. the farce of peak oil?
Who are the real lunatics I ask?
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sandmountainslim I Love 'Our Scotland'

Joined: 17 Sep 2005 Posts: 354 Location: Fyffe, Alabama
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Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| thelandisoors wrote: | | Quote: | You HAVE it!
It is called Her Majesty's Government.
Not only did they take the "rich bastards" golf courses but they took your entire nation.
They repay you with Public Health. Isn't that a deal? Freedom for healthcare!
You seem to think it is a good thing for the folks of Venezuala to lose what little freedoms they have left.
What I believe many don't understand is Chavez is not taking away businesses to help the peasantry, he is doing it for his own profit and to support his power structure. I am sure he looks at it as "Let the peasants have a little bread and allow them to think this is all for them but let one peasant speak ill of El Presidente and it shall be a bullet to the head!"
WP
I was speaking of my job as a town councilman not being a member of JRP Laughing I am paid $150 MONTHLY so that tells you I am definately not in it for the money or "power", I have to have another full time job just to eat.
What is "Jefferson" or "Republican" about the JRP?
It is the modern incarnation of the party founded by Jefferson in 1792, that should be enough.
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first, well what the hell does it have to do with Scotland?
I know your kind. Paleo-conservative christian patriot right? |
It has absolutely nothing to do with Scotland, that is yer boat so drive it as you see fit, I post mainly in the Global Politics section which is FOR discussions of political activity in non-Scottish nations.
Paleo-Conservative?
I think not!
The JRP is based on Jeffersonian principals, unlike the GOP.
I see that you have bought the story that TJ was a ruthless slavedriver rather than the beacon of freedom that will shine for generations.
You are welcome to your "Socialism" and your "Democracy", I will take a republic based on Jeffersonian ideals anyday My heroes are Jefferson, Thomas Paine and James Madison. You can keep your Chavez, Pol Pot, Lenin, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. Put 'em in yer pipe and smoke 'em for all I care, I will take freedom. I am no friend of the Bush Regime, you don't seem to be able to grasp that fact.
I invite you to click on the JRP link in my signature, we would be glad to help you understand things better. We are not above helping you to understand liberty.
WP _________________ William Potter
ScotWatch International
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scotwatch/
Jefferson Republican Party
http://jeffersonrepublicanparty.com
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Babygael Collecting my 'Our Scotland' Pension!

Joined: 08 Apr 2006 Posts: 2460 Location: Bajan land
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:57 am Post subject: |
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And what has Sotland got tae dae wae yew?? _________________ Ath-bheothachad
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thelandisoors On A Journey (500 Miles)

Joined: 09 Nov 2006 Posts: 21 Location: Leith & Lybster
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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First off william I don't buy into the false left right paradigm nor do I blindly stand behind a prescribed set of "party ideals". You on the other hand self-proclaim to adhere to Jeffersonian principals. If bloody so, why are you no out organising a militia to take the Bush administration out of business? After all he has spent the past 6 crapping on the Constitution with the Patriot Act and now the Military Commissions Act and is continually commiting acts of terrorism in his own country and around the world. Thomas Jefferson must be rollin in his grave. I mean I can't imagine what TJ might have said about the way the current administration are allowing China to run Americas economy into the ground but, I do know this.. any group claiming to be representing his principals and are doing nothing in the current political climate are little more than a bunch of hypocrites.
I'm quite convinced you would not know freedom if it jumped up and bit you on the arse william. This is a mere Profane Existence dear. "Let the dead bury their dead." There is no freedom for the profane... only the invisible panopticon in which we live.
So, I'm asking you again... who are the real lunatics? |
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sandmountainslim I Love 'Our Scotland'

Joined: 17 Sep 2005 Posts: 354 Location: Fyffe, Alabama
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| thelandisoors wrote: | | First off william I don't buy into the false left right paradigm nor do I blindly stand behind a prescribed set of "party ideals". You on the other hand self-proclaim to adhere to Jeffersonian principals. If bloody so, why are you no out organising a militia to take the Bush administration out of business?? |
The same reason that YOU are not organizing "a militia" to free Alba from the clutches of the UK. We work thru political means, we are not a terrorist group. It is obvious that you are all talk and no action, you talk a good Socialist game but have you ever ran for political office? Are you considering a run for Scottish Parliament or to a local council? Are you even a member of a political party seeking Scottish Independence?
So tell me which are you, the pot or the kettle?
If you are not a hypocrite yerself please , I beg you to list some of your political actions, tell us of some gatherings which you have attended and a short list of what you have done for your cause.
Otherwise blow a goat.
WP _________________ William Potter
ScotWatch International
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scotwatch/
Jefferson Republican Party
http://jeffersonrepublicanparty.com
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Raycephas Finding Ma' Way
Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 4 Location: Eden, NC
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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No wonder Scotland is still under the subjection of the Anglo-Saxons! There's nothing left in my great-grandfather's homeland, except wussies, commies, and morons! William, you are 100% correct, but I believe you are trying to discuss things with the Dilbert character that always transforms himself into a brickwall everytime someone tries talking to him.
So thelandisoors, what have you really accomplished in life besides giving yourself gas? Those that attack others for doing SOMETHING are those that actually DO NOTHING. _________________ Ray Perdue
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cherokeenoah So new I've only posted once!!!
Joined: 26 Nov 2006 Posts: 1
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| thelandisoors wrote: | First off william I don't buy into the false left right paradigm nor do I blindly stand behind a prescribed set of "party ideals". You on the other hand self-proclaim to adhere to Jeffersonian principals. If bloody so, why are you no out organising a militia to take the Bush administration out of business? After all he has spent the past 6 crapping on the Constitution with the Patriot Act and now the Military Commissions Act and is continually commiting acts of terrorism in his own country and around the world. Thomas Jefferson must be rollin in his grave. I mean I can't imagine what TJ might have said about the way the current administration are allowing China to run Americas economy into the ground but, I do know this.. any group claiming to be representing his principals and are doing nothing in the current political climate are little more than a bunch of hypocrites.
I'm quite convinced you would not know freedom if it jumped up and bit you on the arse william. This is a mere Profane Existence dear. "Let the dead bury their dead." There is no freedom for the profane... only the invisible panopticon in which we live.
So, I'm asking you again... who are the real lunatics? |
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What you don't seem to understand is we are doing something. We work with in the framework of the constitution. The greatest document man has ever composed. There is nothing man man has written that compares to it . The JRP is no friend of George Bush but we act with in the frame work of the constitution. Now I saw earlier where you were slandering Thomas Jefferson. WE have never said that Thomas Jefferson was a perfect man. He like everyone else had his flaws but that does not mean that we disregard his political principles. That is why we formed the JRP. |
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sandmountainslim I Love 'Our Scotland'

Joined: 17 Sep 2005 Posts: 354 Location: Fyffe, Alabama
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Raycephas wrote: | No wonder Scotland is still under the subjection of the Anglo-Saxons! There's nothing left in my great-grandfather's homeland, except wussies, commies, and morons! William, you are 100% correct, but I believe you are trying to discuss things with the Dilbert character that always transforms himself into a brickwall everytime someone tries talking to him.
So thelandisoors, what have you really accomplished in life besides giving yourself gas? Those that attack others for doing SOMETHING are those that actually DO NOTHING. |
Not ALL of 'em are loonies Ray!
Just a few of them who think we are all George Bush!
WP _________________ William Potter
ScotWatch International
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scotwatch/
Jefferson Republican Party
http://jeffersonrepublicanparty.com
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thelandisoors On A Journey (500 Miles)

Joined: 09 Nov 2006 Posts: 21 Location: Leith & Lybster
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| sandmountainslim wrote: | | thelandisoors wrote: | | First off william I don't buy into the false left right paradigm nor do I blindly stand behind a prescribed set of "party ideals". You on the other hand self-proclaim to adhere to Jeffersonian principals. If bloody so, why are you no out organising a militia to take the Bush administration out of business?? |
The same reason that YOU are not organizing "a militia" to free Alba from the clutches of the UK. We work thru political means, we are not a terrorist group. It is obvious that you are all talk and no action, you talk a good Socialist game but have you ever ran for political office? Are you considering a run for Scottish Parliament or to a local council? Are you even a member of a political party seeking Scottish Independence?
So tell me which are you, the pot or the kettle?
If you are not a hypocrite yerself please , I beg you to list some of your political actions, tell us of some gatherings which you have attended and a short list of what you have done for your cause.
Otherwise blow a goat.
WP |
so... now you're saying militias are terrorist groups! You ARE just like George Bush! You silly, silly person. A true American patriot sees the right to form a militia an integral part of keeping the government checked and balanced! By the people & for the people william! The militia was intended to prevent the conquest of America by a foreign power, but it was also intended to prevent the conquest of America by a central national government and its standing army; including its own!
My "cause" is to live in peace and under as little dependence from the state as possible. I don't take their medicine, very little of their food, I drink the rain, provide all my own energy & I deal with all my own waste, wastewater and sewage. My children do not attend their schools or nurserys. I do not own a TV and listen to and read as little of their propaganda as I possibly can. I owe no bank any money and noone owes me. I work on barter for the majority of my needs & pay my tax to the council for the services of theirs that we do use, roads, police, fire, recycling service, public toilets and amenities etc. By my example, I get my word out, that is my militia in the making.
Politics does NOT work when the majority of the population are willfully ignorant or in a drug induced stupor (prescription meds & food additives)... it is a hopeless cause. An independent Scotland that flings itself straight into Europe is NOT in our interest. The current surge for independence is futile under this guise.
The fact that you do not want to or more likely are just UNABLE to discuss Hugo Chavez and how much of a lunatic he is or is not... says alot. But, not as much as "blow a goat" amongst all your vacuous mumblings so far. If you have no more to say on it.. the conversation was long over.
William, you are the profane. Once you have learned that.. you will have learned everything you need to know in this life. That's what Thomas Jefferson would have referred to you as his freemason self. So, be proud of it.
Ray... I have yet to meet an American that doesn't claim how their great uncles sisters nephew Ian came from Scotland. Good for you. Your insecurity is shown by your gasping for air, treading in the waters of the proverbial melting pot. The constant search for self. Who am I? LOL |
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sandmountainslim I Love 'Our Scotland'

Joined: 17 Sep 2005 Posts: 354 Location: Fyffe, Alabama
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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thislandisoors,
You completely misunderstand what I am saying, I don't know if it is intentional or not (perhaps living in the forest drinking rainwater has effected you in some way?)
I in no way equated militia's to terrorism, I stated that I am not a terrorist and therefore I am not attempting to overthrow the US Government. I completely support the militia movement and the right to keep arms, I have quite a nice stockpile of small arms and ammunition myself.
The fact that you do not take government handouts, I find admirable.
It proves that you are not Peter Dow running around boasting about being a welfare case.
WP
Post Scriptum
Your belief that Jefferson was a Freemason is in error.
Jefferson was one of a very few Founding Fathers who did not belong to the Masonic organization. _________________ William Potter
ScotWatch International
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scotwatch/
Jefferson Republican Party
http://jeffersonrepublicanparty.com
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thelandisoors On A Journey (500 Miles)

Joined: 09 Nov 2006 Posts: 21 Location: Leith & Lybster
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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"""The same reason that YOU are not organizing "a militia" to free Alba from the clutches of the UK. We work thru political means, we are not a terrorist group. """""
where in there do you NOT imply militias are terrorist groups?? Where do you say you are not a terrorist in there?
it's not that I don't take government handouts.. I do not take government poisons or dependency. There's a difference.
whether there is evidence or not for Jefferson being a freemason or not it simply does not matter. He either was one or was a great sympathiser. I am well aware Thomas Jefferson wrote extremely favourably towards the Order of the Illuminati and its founder, European Jesuit Professor Adam Weishaupt. He also helped design the very masonic Great Seal of America. And what about the Hellfire Club?!?
yes.. great.. you are a gun nut. Your guns will be worthless when they come with electromagnetic & tesla weapons, killer viruses & chemtrails of aersolised chemicals. Imagine what it might be like if they decide to use on your own people what they quite proudly use on our Iraqi friends? White Phosphorus, depleted uranium? Your guns won't stand a chance then. I hear they're also building some quite fine American versions of Abu Graihb on your own soil too. There's something the founding fathers would've been proud about right?
One day you'll see how wrong you are about Chavez... the day after that you will probably come to realise that we ARE the profane and your heroes will turn to zeroes. first step William.. turn off the telly. |
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Rinty Ready For Afterlife!

Joined: 19 Sep 2005 Posts: 2564 Location: SW Scotland
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:35 pm Post subject: t |
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| Quote: | | There's nothing left in my great-grandfather's homeland, except wussies, commies, and morons! |
Is that right Raycefas? I hope you're great grandfather was not like you, if he had any idea of his own land he would have know plenty of commies when he was here. Some of greatest historical heroes have been communists and socialists, I dont know what scotland you are familiar with, but I am proud of the macleans, gallaghers, hardies and grassic-gibbons personally! You stay where you are mate, if you come here you will surely be disappointed, but I would love to see scots take on americans to try to prove you "moron" theory. If you want to stereotype scots in this way, why dont you go somewhere else!
Chavez is one of the most important figures in the world today, he is far from being the perfect socialist but his focus is on tghe many and not the few. He has a lot of leverage owning thousands of gas stations in the US and succesful companies through his government and provides a focus for a much needed opposition to the spread of the global corporate empire, backed by american military might.
thislandisoors, it is irrelevant whether jefferson was a freemason or not, many great republicans (including rabbie burns) were. The masons at the time provided a platform for radical thinkers and the great and good became equals to the farmers and lowly when they walked through the lodge door. The ideas of the french revolution spread around the Uk through the netowrk of masons among others. |
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thelandisoors On A Journey (500 Miles)

Joined: 09 Nov 2006 Posts: 21 Location: Leith & Lybster
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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rinty.. I find it very relevant. All low level masons (including 33rd degree and under) haven'tae scooby what the freemasons are about anyways. My point is that William here worships Jefferson and his principles but, does not realise that TJ would see him and the "walking dead" as "the profane". And on the other hand.. he has been brainwashed by the American media to believe Chavez is some evil nutter. I just want to know, who are the real lunatics?
I've yet to see a revolution work out well anywhere in history. Is it not the same people with different faces that take over again? |
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Rinty Ready For Afterlife!

Joined: 19 Sep 2005 Posts: 2564 Location: SW Scotland
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:15 pm Post subject: u |
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the masons are nothing, just a bogeyman story like NWO, Bilderberg, Skull & Bones and all the other distractions from the real issues.
Sanmountainslim does have, in my opinion, a very warped view of Chavez, which might come from the media in the states, but he is not brainwashed. He doesnt "worship" jefferson and jefferson is a very important historical figure, he might not be perfect but he was a thinker, a radical, a far more progressive than most of the leaders this country has had. |
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thelandisoors On A Journey (500 Miles)

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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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Rinty Ready For Afterlife!

Joined: 19 Sep 2005 Posts: 2564 Location: SW Scotland
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:50 pm Post subject: h |
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| global capital, climate change, poverty, imperialism, nuclear prolifiration, not whether some rich boys have a silly club. |
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sandmountainslim I Love 'Our Scotland'

Joined: 17 Sep 2005 Posts: 354 Location: Fyffe, Alabama
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: u |
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| Rinty wrote: | the masons are nothing, just a bogeyman story like NWO, Bilderberg, Skull & Bones and all the other distractions from the real issues.
Sanmountainslim does have, in my opinion, a very warped view of Chavez, which might come from the media in the states, but he is not brainwashed. He doesnt "worship" jefferson and jefferson is a very important historical figure, he might not be perfect but he was a thinker, a radical, a far more progressive than most of the leaders this country has had. |
Rinty,
Thank you for pointing out that I do not "worship" Jefferson, I am a Jeffersonian and a member of his party but I do not see him as another Christlike figure I just feel that he is far superior to the politicians we have had for the past 150 years and I subscribe to his ideals and those of Madison as opposed to out of control Federalism.
My opinion of Chavez while warped in your opinion is based on signs which I see from he and his government which leads me to believe that he is anti-freedom, you may disagree.
It is largely shaped by things I see from the National Council of LaRaza and the Mexica Movement in my state, both of whom idolize Chavez and both of whom are supremecist groups.
I am not a Freemason and wish to stay out of discussions of their organization if no one minds. I don't subscribe to the Protocols of the Elders of Sion theory if anyone is curious about that.
WP _________________ William Potter
ScotWatch International
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scotwatch/
Jefferson Republican Party
http://jeffersonrepublicanparty.com
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garye Gaining a Reputation........
Joined: 24 May 2006 Posts: 214
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:07 pm Post subject: Re: t |
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| Rinty wrote: | | Quote: | | There's nothing left in my great-grandfather's homeland, except wussies, commies, and morons! |
Is that right Raycefas? I hope you're great grandfather was not like you, if he had any idea of his own land he would have know plenty of commies when he was here. Some of greatest historical heroes have been communists and socialists, I dont know what scotland you are familiar with, but I am proud of the macleans, gallaghers, hardies and grassic-gibbons personally! You stay where you are mate, if you come here you will surely be disappointed, but I would love to see scots take on americans to try to prove you "moron" theory. If you want to stereotype scots in this way, why dont you go somewhere else!
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Aye, weel said Rinty
Raychefas! Thalla's Cac |
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thelandisoors On A Journey (500 Miles)

Joined: 09 Nov 2006 Posts: 21 Location: Leith & Lybster
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:33 pm Post subject: Re: h |
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| Rinty wrote: | | global capital, climate change, poverty, imperialism, nuclear prolifiration, not whether some rich boys have a silly club. |
who do you think controls all the above things you mention or controls what we know about the above things??
and it's not just boys.. far from it. |
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Rinty Ready For Afterlife!

Joined: 19 Sep 2005 Posts: 2564 Location: SW Scotland
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:57 pm Post subject: j |
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| Quote: | | who do you think controls all the above things you mention or controls what we know about the above things?? |
Let me guess, would it be a secret society of world leaders, jewish bankers, and shady paganists?
You should read "them" by Jon Ronson, very funny, especially when we walks through the gates at one of the secret gatherings. Personally I think the NWO/Bilderberg conspiracies are just the old "Protocols of the elders of zion" dressed up in a modern suit. |
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