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trueblue
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some of the bitter hatred of the irish toward the british defies belief. ach it was just the craic.
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SLG
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| RBK wrote: | | It amuses me how sinn fein support the break-up of the island of Britain and support Scottish independence. Yet on this island they play the English role and say the island should be one unit. |
All I would ask for Scotland, that we be given the right to choose our future, free of state and commercial manipulation. I'll accept what the majority of the population want, though I will always try to educate people as to why Scotland should be independent.
The people of the six counties would be treated in the same way. Despite what can be seen as past (and possibly present) crimes of the British state, they are in the situation they are in. If the majority of folk in the six counties want to remain part of the UK (should the UK still want them) or to become an independent state, then so be it. If the majority want to become part of Eire, likewise. Every member of the population who live there has as much right as any other to determine the future of their state.
The difference is (IMO) remove the state manipulation and allow the people of Scotland an opportunity to express an opinion (simple two question referendum), and Scotland will become independent. This would not be the case in the six counties, as such (again IMO) re-unification with Eire would not be democratic. |
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parkhead_rfb
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ah the old left there lights on story 
i wont even respond to thats its such an incredicbly stupid statement.
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SLG
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| parkhead_rfb wrote: | ah the old left there lights on story
i wont even respond to thats its such an incredicbly stupid statement. |
Was that reply to me? Not sure what you mean by the 'left their lights on story' but if you don't want to respond, fair enough. |
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parkhead_rfb
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When Ulster was suffering the heaviest air -raids outside of London. The R.O.I. was having an easy time of it. Some folk would tell you that they left their lights on purposely in order to guide Hitlers bombers to Ulster.
i was talking about this.
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SLG
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| OK, no problem parkhead. Yes, it does sound like an incredibly stupid statement. |
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parkhead_rfb
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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some would probably also tell you it was co-ordinated to make a big arrow
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Leathlaobhair
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All this talk about the ROI supporting Nazi Germany is total BS... where do you think the weather statistics for D-Day came from? Yup, Irishmen. Downed Allied pilots were routinely returned to British lines, as were downed Axis pilots. So the Republic had a neutrality line to tow, and it did. As did dozens of other countries. Besides, why should it have really thrown in its lot to fight with a country that most of it was at war with twenty years before...?
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No I don't think Sinn Féin should really run in Scotland. I support Sinn Féin in Ireland, but I think it still needs to tone itself down and become more mainstream to join the ranks of the other Celtic parties--SNP, Plaid Cymru, Mec Vannin & Mebyon Kernow.
I do think that there should be more Irish-Scottish nationalistic support both ways across, though. Even as far back as Robert de Bruce this was known.. I recall something about him writing to an Ulster prince talking about "nostra naciona" (our nation) because of a shared culture, tongue, etc.
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Rinty
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| Quote: | | Even as far back as Robert de Bruce |
Much further back than that, at one stage Antrim, Argylle and most of the Western Issles were one "nation". IN fact Bruce could only claim the throne as he was a direct descendant of Kenneth MacAlpiner and by extension descended from Ulster kings of Dalriata. |
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trueblue
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| parkhead_rfb wrote: | When Ulster was suffering the heaviest air -raids outside of London. The R.O.I. was having an easy time of it. Some folk would tell you that they left their lights on purposely in order to guide Hitlers bombers to Ulster.
i was talking about this. |
i had heard this.
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Leathlaobhair
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| Quote: | | When Ulster was suffering the heaviest air -raids outside of London. The R.O.I. was having an easy time of it. Some folk would tell you that they left their lights on purposely in order to guide Hitlers bombers to Ulster. |
How does that make any sense at all?
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RBK
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| Leathlaobhair wrote: | | Quote: | | When Ulster was suffering the heaviest air -raids outside of London. The R.O.I. was having an easy time of it. Some folk would tell you that they left their lights on purposely in order to guide Hitlers bombers to Ulster. |
How does that make any sense at all? |
I said ''some folk would tell you'' and I have heard this, as have many people. Even if they didn't do it purposely. The very fact that their lights were on and Ulster was in black-out mode. Would give the Luftwaffe a fair idea where to head to.
One thing can't be denied, is that Ulster, and Belfast in particular stood side by side with their fellow citizens of the U.K. and suffered like them too.
'The Germans came over in the year forty one,
And they tried to destroy us by bomb and by gun,
But our history could tell them of others who tried,
how our sons defended Ulster,how they fought,how they died.''
And yes, on learning of the death of Hitler a letter of condolence was handed in on behalf of the Irish goverment. |
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parkhead_rfb
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ive heard the holocaust didnt happen, doesnt mean am silly enough to believe everything i hear.
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trueblue
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| parkhead_rfb wrote: | | ive heard the holocaust didnt happen, doesnt mean am silly enough to believe everything i hear. |
did you hear that the ira have NEVER, EVER! dealt in drugs. only guns, bombs,cigarettes and alcohol.
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RBK
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| parkhead_rfb wrote: | | ive heard the holocaust didnt happen, doesnt mean am silly enough to believe everything i hear. |
Except republican propaganda 
As I said the lights were on in the ROI,but Ulster had the black-out. So the end result was the same and 800 Ulster people died at the hands of the Nazis. |
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Leathlaobhair
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| Quote: | | And yes, on learning of the death of Hitler a letter of condolence was handed in on behalf of the Irish goverment. |
Yes, Éamon de Valera sent a condolence letter to the government of Germany due to the fact that their head of state had died.
How do you think the Luftwaffe would have missed the entire island of Ireland?
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RBK
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| Leathlaobhair wrote: | | Quote: | | And yes, on learning of the death of Hitler a letter of condolence was handed in on behalf of the Irish goverment. |
Yes, Éamon de Valera sent a condolence letter to the government of Germany due to the fact that their head of state had died.
How do you think the Luftwaffe would have missed the entire island of Ireland? |
No matter that the head of state was a mass murderer and responsible for the death of millions.
Wise up for heavens sake the Luftwaffe wern't looking for the entire island
They were looking for Ulster because they had the guts to stand against tyranny along with the rest of their U.K. compatriots. They were looking for Belfast in particular because of its industrial base.
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the light of freedom,which now shines so
strongly in the world,would have been extinguished''
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trueblue
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out of interst what other nations remained 'neutral' when the nazi scum were burning europe. i suspect switzerland but maybe not considering their close proximity to germany. does anyone alse know what other nations sent their condolences to germans after hitlers death.
this is a serious question.
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azzuri
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The Swiss were in fact neutral.
They are surrounded by mountains and so would have been difficult to invade. They are so small also and didn't have much of an army so Germany knew they wouldn;t get any trouble from them so left them alone.
I'm not really sure who else stayed neutral.
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trueblue
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| Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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what about condolences when hitler died?
any takers?
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