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RFM · Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:35 am Post subject:

To Highlander;
Which one?
To Anthropos;
Thank-you for the references; it is extremely difficult to find references to works like Stevenson's, The Foriegner at Home, in America.
My observation about the cleverness of the English was simply that they understood the Act of Union did not eliminate or abolish England as an independent political or legal entity, yet so many individuals seem to assume that it did for Scotland.

Highlander · I Love 'Our Scotland' Joined: 09 Apr 2006 Posts: 298

My country is Scotland and the rest of the U.K.

Babygael · Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:35 am Post subject:

Scotland is a country seperate and distinct from england.

Was the concept of the union between Scotland/england a Scots Idea?? Humnnnnn??

And if not, whose was it??

And if it was englands,Why do you suppose they came up with it?? Humnnnnnn???
Cool

Why do you think england wanted a union with us???

1) Because they loved us??

2) Because they wanted to make our lives better?

3) Because they were big brother and had an overwhelming need to protect us?

YEAH RIGHT!

Scots enjoyed what crumbs might have fallen off their (the engerlish) table these past 300 years, but we will no longer settle for crumbs,we want to sit at OUR own table and choose OUR own destiny.

To me the UK stands for Scotland/Wales/ireland/cornwall/england and IOM and so on.

The word Britain to me stands for the same except for Ireland,IOM

But it does not TELL US WHICH COUNTRY each individual comes from!

I do not support the union anymore than I support the EU.

In fact, the saying "trust the devil you know" keeps ringing in my ears!

Alba Gu Brath
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RFM · Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:02 pm Post subject:

Highlander;
Go back and read your previous postings in "Scots National Anthem" where you deny there is a country known as England.
California is an independent state, one of which comprise the USA. Nobody goes around saying there is no California, only USA.
The point is that there certainly is a country known as England just as there is a country known as Scotland. The collective association of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland may be whatever you want to call it, but Scotland still exists. So does England, ask any Englishman.
You want to be an Englishman, don't be embarrassed to say so.

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RFM · Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 6:26 pm Post subject:

I have never heard anybody from Scotland or Wales or Ireland, north or south, ever admit or claim to be "British", only those people who live south of the Tweed. Oh, and you, but you want to keep a foot on both sides of the fence, so I guess we can call you the British Scotsman. What will you call yourself if Scots independence comes to be?
Odd that you should choose Bavaria as an example. Germans certainly think it is a different place than the rest of Germany, and the Bavarians do also. In fact the Bavarians call themselves "Freistaat Bayern".

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RFM · Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:14 pm Post subject:

You know Highlander, it is very boring exchanging remarks with you. Why don't you look at the official web site for Bavaria, www.bayern.de, down on the left side, the third entry and see what is written; who in the hell do you think they are referring to, Grossdeutchland?

RFM · Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:18 pm Post subject:

To Anthropos;
Yes both nations are composed of a very great people who have made several noteworthy contributions to the world. It will be interesting to see how the independence movement plays itself out.

scottishstuart · Finding Ma' Way Joined: 17 Nov 2006 Posts: 18

I luv how i posted about The Divine Right of Kings and the effects it had on the Scottish monarchs and now ur discussing, Germany and Bavaria - These threads are very strange that way.

I feel that, (and not to sound bitter towards England and it's people because I honestly have little animosity towards them) when I have been abroad, and been asked where I come from the people outside of the UK actually do believe the UK to be another name for England, in the US, in parts of Canada, my own cousin - who is canadian, but my uncle is from Glasgow, has asked if Scotland is in England,. In Australia and even Japan when I have stated I am from Scotland they have asked if thats in England. However I can understand that this is due to England being the Largest of the 4 states and the capital of GB being Englands capital London. Also that England has much more political power than the other four states - NI, Wales and Scotland have to answer to westminster regarding specific political issues.

As for the topic of wot nationality u will be when Independence occurs - Well the same option applies as it does in NI - U can be Scottish, British or have a dual nationality of Scottish/British.

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One O'Clock Gun · Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:29 pm Post subject:

RFM · Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:30 pm Post subject:

I wonder how many different "Highlanders" are writing under this name? Kindly refer back to your post of Feb. 12, wherein I write "In fact the Bavarians call themselves Freistaat Bayern".
Your reply: "No they do not".
Have you ever considered having a quiet little talk with your family doctor? You might want to ask him what the word schizophrenia means; or maybe all of you could have a talk with him.

If and when all of you do, maybe we can resume our little discussion of German history and what "Freistaat" means to the Germans.

One O'Clock Gun · Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:35 pm Post subject:

haven't bothered to read the previous posts of this stimulating argument, buy i had a look on

http://dict.leo.org

and the adjective for Bavarian in German is Bairisch, or bayerisch.

anyway, carry on!
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Highlander · I Love 'Our Scotland' Joined: 09 Apr 2006 Posts: 298

[quote="RFM"]I wonder how many different "Highlanders" are writing under this name? Kindly refer back to your post of Feb. 12, wherein I write "In fact the Bavarians call themselves Freistaat Bayern".
Your reply: "No they do not". [quote]

Yes, you said Bavrians call themselves Freistaat Bayern which is the name of the country and not the name of the people from that country. Again what I said was and is 100% right. Bavarians do not call themselves Freistaat Bayern and thanks to One O'Clock Gun we have been shown what they are called Bairisch or bayerisch. So again Bavarians do not call themselves Freistaat Bayern. It just goes to show how much difficulty you have in getting the correct noun, such as British/English/Scottish/Bavarian.
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RFM · Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:53 pm Post subject:

It is funny that you purport to know the distinction between noun and adjective but you serve up as an example a noun which you now argue is really an adjective. Translating directly from English, excuse me British, to a foreign language is always misleading.
Bayern is a noun as much as California; to say Freistaat Bayern is to say 'the Free State of Bavaria". When I wrote that the Bavarians call themselves "Freistaat Bayern" I took it for granted that only an illiterate or a person who does not speak German would not recognize the noun form. Since it was you who offered Bavaria as an example, see your post of Feb. 12, I thought you might know a little about what you were talking about. Foolish me!

But since you seem to have some recurrent memory lapses, for want of a better term, it was you who said "Next you will tell me that Bavaria is an independent country separate from Germany". My reply was then, is now, look at the name the Bavarians call themselves. I really did not think anybody would be so obtuse as to think I was referring to the appellation Bavarians use for themselves. Particularly as Freistaat Bayern is quite well known and has been since 1918.

John Kennedy in 1963 in a visit to Berlin said in a speech, "Ich bin ein Berliner". As a direct translation of English, excuse me British, he was correct. However in the German language he was saying that he was a custard filled pastry of the type found in coffee shops in Germany known as a "Berliner". A German who lived in Berlin would say "Ich bin Berliner". So no, a Bavarian does not call himself by the adjectival form.