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IF Convenor · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:00 pm Post subject:

Aventinian, you are being even more of a dick than usual. By persisting in calling the SNP xenophobic while refusing to acknowledge the xenophobia of all "British" political parties you are insulting every individual member of the SNP. You are insulting me and I want you to stop.

Please produce one single documented piece of evidence of SNP xenophobia. Not something from your fevered imagination, but an actual piece of proof. If you fail to do so I expect an unreserved apology.

You may do well to remember the biblical proverb about motes and beams.

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voiceofourown · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:04 pm Post subject:

Just the usual misrepresentation of the kind of 'nationalism' that the SNP stands for.
Aventinian uses the term pejoratively whilst being fully aware that the SNP are no more more nationalist in that sense (probably less so) than either the Conservatives or New Labour.
It's just the same, tired old clap-trap masquerading as meaningful debate.

The next stage up from this is to condemn the SNP for indulging in 'identity' politics. Have a look round the planet folks. It's made up of nation states. It's the basic unit of the geo-political world. Perhaps in some libertarian utopia (a thousand years hence?) people will stop identifying with their nations- though personally I doubt it. As long as we don't identify ourselves negatively rather than positively(e.g. "I am not English" as opposed to "I am Scottish") then it is perfectly healthy. As long as we don't seek to impose our identity on other nations, it is perfectly healthy.

The likely alternative is actually very unedifying. Global governance by multi-national corporations who spend much of the time engineering a situation that perpetuates an increasingly wealthy select, and a permanently poverty stricken 'production' class who'll gladly work for tuppence a day to provide £3 pairs of jeans. We can, of course, see this happening already. Cheap human resources adjacent to an abundance of natural resources - the holy grail of free roaming, unfettered, global commerce. Do you fancy Rupert Murdoch running your country ? (any more than he already does?)

Please Aventinian, stop this utter gash. Are all the Swedish political parties xenophobic for not wanting to unite with the UK? Are all the Norwegian political parties xenophobic for not wanting political union with Denmark?
If the answer is yes, then I certainly don't consider 'xenophobia' to be a charge worth countering.
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mal · Activist Joined: 15 Sep 2005 Posts: 154

I watched this programme live and my wife even stared at the tv in disbeleif when this diatribe was uttered (wife not interested in politics normally, but has been converted now, so something good came out of it)

Although i have to admit to being a xenoventian Very Happy

Aventinian · Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:16 am Post subject:

IF Convenor · Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:59 pm Post subject:

Your beliefs do not constitute evidence. I thought you had some connection with the legal profession and would know that.

Unless you can produce evidence I expect an unreserved apology for the way you have insulted me.
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George · This is Ma' Life! Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 767

Aventinian · Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:25 pm Post subject:

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Babygael · Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:14 pm Post subject:

Och! Yer awa wae the faeries Ave! geek

Yew need

IF Convenor · Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:17 pm Post subject: